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by zoomkat
Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:15 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 236 Sucking Sound
Replies: 22
Views: 232

Re: 236 Sucking Sound

The sound in the video sounds kind of like a rattling to me. You might turn the cleaning lever a little left or right to see if the sound changes. The sound might be made from the pricker rod and/or the eccentric block being a little lose.
by zoomkat
Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:03 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 1993 285 lantern acquisition/operation/tweaking
Replies: 14
Views: 88

Re: 1993 285 lantern acquisition/operation/tweaking

You can always pimp the lantern a little. :)
by zoomkat
Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:56 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 1993 285 lantern acquisition/operation/tweaking
Replies: 14
Views: 88

Re: 1993 285 lantern acquisition/operation/tweaking

" My question is: on these there is not an orfice cleaning lever or a pricker (at least when looking at the parts schematic) " There is a pricker rod that is operated by the fuel control valve. To clean the orifice quickly close and reopen the fuel control valve. When the fuel control valve is close...
by zoomkat
Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:34 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Puzzled over 500 flame more on one side
Replies: 19
Views: 233

Re: Puzzled over 500 flame more on one side

You might put a little aluminum foil wad/ball in the center of the plenum to divert the air/fuel mix from blowing straight across the inside of the plenum and out the opposite side.
by zoomkat
Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:38 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Puzzled over 500 flame more on one side
Replies: 19
Views: 233

Re: Puzzled over 500 flame more on one side

Is the fuel/air mix injected into the burner plenum on the opposite side to the larger flames? If so, that might be a cause of the different flame size.
by zoomkat
Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:47 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 533 Naphtha-only vs Dual Fuel Stove
Replies: 14
Views: 241

Re: 533 Naphtha-only vs Dual Fuel Stove

"Is that separable by any means? Unscrewing or something?" Past discussions indicate that the 533 style generators can't be taken apart further than just pulling out the long pricker wire. The joints/fittings appear to be brazed. Someone had an old generator and heated the joints up to orange heat a...
by zoomkat
Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:12 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 533 Naphtha-only vs Dual Fuel Stove
Replies: 14
Views: 241

Re: 533 Naphtha-only vs Dual Fuel Stove

"Could there be none? Or just a "fatter" generator?"

I doubt that there is any difference in the generators. You might research replacements and if there are any differences. People that have them might measure the thickness of their generators and post the measurements up to compare for differences.
by zoomkat
Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:46 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 236 Sucking Sound
Replies: 22
Views: 232

Re: 236 Sucking Sound

" The metering rod retracts below flush at about 1 1/2 turns." Does the rod tip continue to retract un till the valve is full open? The tip of the rod should retract enough as to not to be in the hole obstructing fuel flow to any great amount. If the fuel rod tip is still a little in the fuel orific...
by zoomkat
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:00 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 288 cold weather issues
Replies: 4
Views: 81

Re: 288 cold weather issues

"I have plenty of oil on pump gasket any ideas of what im up against ? thanks"

When the lantern is out in the cold, keep the needle valve closed and push down on the pump plunger. Does the pump cup hold pressure, or is there noticeable leak by?.
by zoomkat
Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:22 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 236 Sucking Sound
Replies: 22
Views: 232

Re: 236 Sucking Sound

"I got a stream of fuel almost immediately but it wasn't constant, it pulsed and spit. This was true with two different generators. So now I'm back to scratching my head." Even though the fuel pickup spring is installed correctly, the rod may be sticking for some reason. Always good to cycle the fue...
by zoomkat
Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Air Tube behind check Valve
Replies: 8
Views: 145

Re: Air Tube behind check Valve

You can use carb cleaner and similar solvents in the pump tube, but note that you may need to tilt the lantern over with the pump opening up so the solvent can go down the air tube to a possible clog. Inside the tank the air tube usually goes up to above the normal fuel level. I've read of others ma...
by zoomkat
Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:25 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 236 Sucking Sound
Replies: 22
Views: 232

Re: 236 Sucking Sound

" To be clear, the spring needs to be under the collar on the fuel rod preloading it against the needle valve shaft like the attached diagram?" Yes, when the fuel valve fully opens (at least halfway full open) the spring moves the rod up and out of the bottom orifice allowing the fuel pickup tube to...
by zoomkat
Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:29 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 236 Sucking Sound
Replies: 22
Views: 232

Re: 236 Sucking Sound

"I haven't run it for an extended period but it does seem to lose pressure sooner than I would expect." If you disassembled the fuel pickup assembly, there might be a possibility you installed the fuel control rod spring on top of the fuel control rod instead of under the rod collar. Could be other ...
by zoomkat
Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:09 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 236 Sucking Sound
Replies: 22
Views: 232

Re: 236 Sucking Sound

"New to me 236 that I completely disassembled, cleaned and reassembled." Did the lantern have this issue before it was disassembled? What parts did you dissemble, and can you locate the location from which the sound is coming from? Does the lantern start loosing pressure within 10 or 15 minutes, or ...
by zoomkat
Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:51 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 200A shooting gas out of generator
Replies: 16
Views: 249

Re: 200A shooting gas out of generator

"Ha! no....just putting it back together! rookie!"

Assuming you took the lantern apart, was this an issue before disassembly? Did you take the fuel control valve apart?
by zoomkat
Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:18 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: coleman 226 pressure issue
Replies: 23
Views: 186

Re: coleman 226 pressure issue

"It runs excellent but has to be pumped up about every ten minutes. Would this be normal for this model?" I think that is the way physics makes them work. You might try throttling it back some using the pricker to get a little longer run time before repumping. In the big picture, it may be advantage...
by zoomkat
Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:57 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: How to remove legs from 425B
Replies: 1
Views: 65

Re: How to remove legs from 425B

If it is pressed on, then oiling it up and then carefully rotating and wiggling might get to eventually come off the shaft.
by zoomkat
Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:35 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 200A shooting gas out of generator
Replies: 16
Views: 249

Re: 200A shooting gas out of generator

"Don't forget to make sure the rod is in the F/A tube, and of course, the F/A tube ON the valve before the valve goes back on the fount. "

And make sure the fuel control rod spring is under the collar on the fuel control rod.
by zoomkat
Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:52 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 220E Burner Frame Removal
Replies: 38
Views: 293

Re: 220E Burner Frame Removal

" If I'm just trying to get it to light, I'm not interested in extra work!"

Always get a lot of input before getting the wrench out. Below is a similar discussion from just a couple of weeks back.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20406
by zoomkat
Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:15 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 220E Burner Frame Removal
Replies: 38
Views: 293

Re: 220E Burner Frame Removal

"Well, it's getting disassembled either way, because I want to clean it up." Just beware of those that just spit out a bunch of "wrench" solutions for suspected problems. They apparently don't have the ability to do any prior trouble shooting to actually identify the cause of the issue, and are like...
by zoomkat
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:32 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 220E Burner Frame Removal
Replies: 38
Views: 293

Re: 220E Burner Frame Removal

"After putting mantles on and firing it up, there seems to be some problem to where it only lights up for a bit, then kind of fades. So, I'm just going to go ahead and disassemble it, clean the burner frame and burner assembly real well, and most likely that'll fix it. " Tinkering with the burner fr...
by zoomkat
Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:26 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: leak at base of generator
Replies: 8
Views: 146

Re: leak at base of generator

" I googled it before and I think people mentioned heating the base of the generator to anneal it???" Normally you would not have to do that. Make sure the generator is not cocked on the top of the valve assembly while tightening the generator nut. Note that new generators may require a little more ...
by zoomkat
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:39 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Brand New Northstar Duel Fuel problems
Replies: 17
Views: 258

Re: Brand New Northstar Duel Fuel problems

"I wanted to really like this lantern but i am VERY disappointed"

Well, I'd keep tinkering with it. Just think of it as training to becoming a Northstar guru.
by zoomkat
Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:35 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Brand New Northstar Duel Fuel problems
Replies: 17
Views: 258

Re: Brand New Northstar Duel Fuel problems

"Lantern started out burning well, in less than an hour it was noticeably dim and needed to be pumped again, surge was still there but not as bad as before, pumped it back up and lantern was as bright as I would expect it to be with full mantle burn, in fact it was over burning the mantle and had gh...
by zoomkat
Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:07 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Brand New Northstar Duel Fuel problems
Replies: 17
Views: 258

Re: Brand New Northstar Duel Fuel problems

Generally speaking, rhythmic pulsation is due to fuel starvation *to* the generator, not necessarily an issue with the generator itself. Most common is a low tank pressure situation that can have various causes. One quick thing to try is throttling back slightly with the fuel control valve to see if...
by zoomkat
Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:02 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Brand New Northstar Duel Fuel problems
Replies: 17
Views: 258

Re: Brand New Northstar Duel Fuel problems

Well, you probably should have cycled the fuel control valve off/on several times to clear anything that may have clogged the orifice after startup. As to the generator issue, It is my understanding (I don't have a Northstar) that the generators can be reinstalled if one is careful and takes one tim...
by zoomkat
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:56 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: coleman lantern 220J
Replies: 6
Views: 150

Re: coleman lantern 220J

" the valve wheel turns very easily. Shouldn't there be some resistance when you open it?"

If there is no leakage, then there probably is not an issue. If it just doesn't "feel right", then you might snug up a little on the packing nut.
by zoomkat
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:49 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 228E tip cleaner
Replies: 12
Views: 182

Re: 228E tip cleaner

Be careful when working with a frozen cleaner lever. The cleaning lever was frozen on my dad's 220E and while attempting to free it up, I bent the internal eccentric tip. I took the assembly out, loosened the packing nut and heated the packing area. The lever freeded up while being heated and rotate...
by zoomkat
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:01 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 335 fuel air tube...335 experts?
Replies: 10
Views: 227

Re: 335 fuel air tube...335 experts?

"Discretion is the better part of valor..."

You should be able to trouble shoot any issues without taking it apart.
by zoomkat
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:59 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Coleman lantern 335...help!!!
Replies: 13
Views: 259

Re: Coleman lantern 335...help!!!

"These brass parts are so delicate I didn't want to destroy it."

You should be able to trouble shoot any issues without taking it apart.
by zoomkat
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:59 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 335 fuel air tube...335 experts?
Replies: 10
Views: 227

Re: 335 fuel air tube...335 experts?

" I pulled the valve assembly from the fount...but the fuel air tube really doesn't look like what I'm used to... I can't tell how to remove it."

Not an expert, but you should be able to trouble shoot possible issues with the fuel pickup tube without taking it apart.
by zoomkat
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:27 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Coleman lantern 335...help!!!
Replies: 13
Views: 259

Re: Coleman lantern 335...help!!!

"Hi, perhaps you can help me. If I leave the lantern on the table only air comes out but if i turn it upside down then fuel comes out. What could it be your diagnosis?, Thanks so much in advance. Adrian." What position is the fuel control valve in when this happens? Looking at pictures the lantern a...
by zoomkat
Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:48 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Won't light
Replies: 34
Views: 510

Re: Won't light

" its time for a tear down im afraid ."

Well, I would not recommend that until he now tries a normal 1/4 turn open start up attempt and sees how that goes. Just saying.
by zoomkat
Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:26 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Won't light
Replies: 34
Views: 510

Re: Won't light

"new fuel and air stem and generator still no spitting after the hissing"

As a fuel control rod function test, fully open the fuel control valve and see if you eventually get some raw fuel out of the generator, or if only air continues to come out of the generator.
by zoomkat
Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:35 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Won't light
Replies: 34
Views: 510

Re: Won't light

I recommend that "thorough trouble shooting" of the issue should be performed prior to suggesting disassembly of the lantern.
by zoomkat
Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:51 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Won't light
Replies: 34
Views: 510

Re: Won't light

"can see the mantle move when i open valve, even blows the flame of the lighter. no gas getting through? just air?"

If the tank is not full of fuel, then fill it up and try lighting it again. The standard fuel valve 1/4 turn open lantern start assumes a full tank of fuel.
by zoomkat
Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:28 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Won't light
Replies: 34
Views: 510

Re: Won't light

Is the "gas" possibly water?
by zoomkat
Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:53 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Which styles of torch on hand...
Replies: 15
Views: 238

Re: Which styles of torch on hand...

The below size torch is handy for working on small parts. Big torches can actually damage the small things. Pencil torches, and even the "jet" cigarette lighters, might be used on the really small things.

https://www.harborfreight.com/butane-mi ... 63170.html
by zoomkat
Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:36 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 220 generator questions
Replies: 16
Views: 248

Re: 220 generator questions

""....toughy trouble the issue before drawing conclusions."
Sorry if I am not up on your "Coleman Club" special language."

Sorry if my bad typing and spelling is flipping you out. Just trying to help.
by zoomkat
Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:33 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 425F Start-up Issue
Replies: 9
Views: 151

Re: 425F Start-up Issue

"yes, though when it was closer to full it did the same thing. If that is an issue, what do you suggest?" Well, with lanterns and stoves that have fuel control rods in the fuel pickup assemblies, generally lower fuel tank levels will result in less start up priming fuel being sent to the the generat...
by zoomkat
Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:53 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 425F Start-up Issue
Replies: 9
Views: 151

Re: 425F Start-up Issue

" I'm opening the valve one full turn with the lighting lever up, by the book."

Is the fuel tank less than full when you try to light the stove?
by zoomkat
Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:39 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 220 generator questions
Replies: 16
Views: 248

Re: 220 generator questions

"I have no clue what you are saying."

Understandable. Below is a very recent discussion involving issues that sound somewhat similar to yours. It might be worth a read.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20406
by zoomkat
Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:51 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: 220 generator questions
Replies: 16
Views: 248

Re: 220 generator questions

"Honestly...what do you do?"

Well, déjà vu. The first thing you should do is toughly trouble the issue before drawing conclusions. Did you make sure the lantern tank was full when you were trying to light it?
by zoomkat
Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:39 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: WWII Japanese Naval Lantern
Replies: 35
Views: 647

Re: WWII Japanese Naval Lantern

In the serious collecting world, do not do anything to it, such as shining it up and such. Keep it as found until you find out its value, especially inn the Japanese market. If the lantern and its accessories are common, then you can do what you want. If it is rare, then its highest value will proba...
by zoomkat
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:38 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: WWII Japanese Naval Lantern
Replies: 35
Views: 647

Re: WWII Japanese Naval Lantern

Most likely a close clone to the petromax kerosene lanterns that have been around since WWI and similar clones available today. Be careful you don't break or damage anything. Once you get some background on those type lanterns, it will most likely fire up and run.
by zoomkat
Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:08 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Lower mica chimney?
Replies: 23
Views: 368

Re: Lower mica chimney?

I don't have any mica globes, but if I come across one I'll probably get it just to study its construction. Making one DIY would be an interesting project. I've saved some flat plastic aluminum food pan covers to cut up and stand in for the mica sheets during a project.
by zoomkat
Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:10 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Lower mica chimney?
Replies: 23
Views: 368

Re: Lower mica chimney?

Making mica globes might be a good skill to develop for when replacements become scarce.
by zoomkat
Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:24 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Lower mica chimney?
Replies: 23
Views: 368

Re: Lower mica chimney?

I'd go with a Dremel cutoff wheel. Probably the best control compared to snips and other methods.
by zoomkat
Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:58 pm
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: pre heating 425F
Replies: 8
Views: 161

Re: pre heating 425F

"At below freezing temps I have fuel leaking out the rear of the manifold of a 425F after pumping."

Assuming the fuel control valve is not leaking, what position do you have the start lever in when you try to light it?
by zoomkat
Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:00 am
Forum: Technical Assistance
Topic: Refilling propane bottles
Replies: 50
Views: 851

Re: Refilling propane bottles

Just to round out refilling issues, don't over fill old cylinders with the expectation that the installed relief will operate to prevent pressure excursions.