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zoomkat

Another thought since the performance difference between the stoves, do the valve stems in the valve assemblies have the double thread setup similar to some Coleman valves? If so, then possibly the valve in original stove needs to be rotated 180 deg. to get a little more travel of the orifice needle.

zoomkat

Is the needle on the valve rod tapered or straight sided like a wire?

zoomkat

"You ever drove 400 miles straight and took the gas cap off? The sound of rushing air is your indication of a tank that was under pressure."

The car gas tank is at the vapor pressure for the gas at the current temperature, but "10-30 psi" seems way high to me.

zoomkat

" They stopped using pressure releasing caps in the early 70's i think, and all modern tanks are under pressure. I think it only equates to 10-30 psi, but thats about what a lantern is running at."

You sure about that? Sounds sketchy.

zoomkat

Those reflectors look nice for looking at, but I doubt if they were ever really used much as they seem to be very heavy and clunky for actual regular use. Just saying...

zoomkat

Go easy on the vent nut as some have said a tight nut might cause enamel cracking around the vent stud hole during thermal expansion and contraction.

zoomkat

"These mantles may seem small, but they burn pretty bright."

The Aladdin #200 mantles are thoriated.

zoomkat

"Soft solder is not likely to survive that use. Silver solder..." 56% silver solder paste would probably work well, but if one wanted to remove the orifice for some reason later, it might be more difficult than with soft solder. Nobody really knows the temperature at the orifice connecting point to ...

zoomkat

I used my regular Oscar this weekend on a road trip as it fits just right on the truck floorboard (front and back seats) for traveling. I've looked for other coolers but have not found another current manufacture that fits this purpose as well. I fill the plastic 64 oz. juice jugs and similar with w...

zoomkat

An option might be to clean up the broken orifice piece and use it with out the broken threaded portion. The orifice tip probably can be soft soldered to the end of the generator tube and the generator put back in service. The actual temperature at the end of the generator is probably low enough for...

zoomkat

"Man, if I was 40 years younger I’d be introducing myself to her. All that and discounted fuel to boot! Just sayin’."

Did you give her a tip? If you did, you will probably get a smile the next time you see her.

zoomkat

"I picked up an endoscope so I could get a better idea on the condition of my 118A fount. I've run gallons of different solvents through it with a pound of sheet metal screws. Finally I've reached a point of no chunks of rust coming out. Solvents are still a bit discolored." That is probably clean e...

zoomkat

" and that made me wonder about doing a modern equivalent by putting 285 upper equipment on a 295 fount or 286 upper equipment on a 639 fount."

You my need to consider the length of the fuel pickup assemblies and the tank depths when mixing parts.

zoomkat

"Any ideas?"

Just curious as to why you are concerned with the pricker rod/needle you originally found in the generator.

zoomkat

I remember thinking when they were cheap "If those were picket fence globes, I would buy a couple". Since the globes were "aftermarket", if the value gets above $50, there are globe crafts persons that probably can make more.

zoomkat

That type of frame break has been discussed in the past as to repair methods. As that break is low on the frame member, I'd try splinting it with another piece of thin metal using low temperature solder paste. Below is a previous "interesting" discussion on a frame repair with various ideas being su...

zoomkat

My thoughts on things kerosene is..., Why? Especially conversions. That being said, for lanterns, using a more round mantle instead of long one can put the edge of the mantle closer to the generator to maybe keep it a little hotter, at least in one spot. This might help when running the lantern in a...

zoomkat

Put it back together and see if it will run.

zoomkat

You might try to gently close the crack some by putting it in a vise and gently squeezing it together. That might get the threads back to a more normal fit and bite. Once the crack is closed and will thread on to the tank nipple, then possibly a dab of solder on the crack area might help stabilize i...

zoomkat

"What y'all think?"

I think I would do a light cleanup to stabilize it as is, get it running with a globe, and save it as a "ponder" lantern.

zoomkat

"yeah, I don't think they are lost, but certainly don't want to make them worse by continuing to use that cracked nut. It was holdin pressure, fwiw." I take that as when the nut is snugged down, the connection does not leak. To possibly reduce the challenge to the existing threads, you might conside...

zoomkat

A couple of years back OCP had globes similar to that (maybe the same) and the prices were not much more than regular globes (maybe on sale), so the value may vary.

zoomkat

As others have said, I'd suggest you give the lantern and stove a good wipe down, then focus on seeing if they will operate as is. You don't want to fall into the sometimes trap of "fixing" things that are not really broken.

zoomkat

"That sundrop logo is different than what we have around here."

Part of a simple rollup aluminum can reflector project.

zoomkat

The trials and tribulations of the "cargo cult".

zoomkat

"How well do the pie pan shades work? May I have an image of the modified "farm shade" please?" Attached are some shade project pictures. The "farm shades" are from China via ebay. The first test was using paper plates to develop the cutting patterns for the lanterns. I have a pdf file that will pri...

zoomkat

"If it's a 275 you will likely need a Schrader valve core in the near future. No worries as they all need them sooner or later." Well, one point to worry about is that often Schrader valve change outs are difficult resulting in broken parts. Also, follow the starting instructions for the 275 or 275A...

zoomkat

"AND I have not yet taken the old one apart. It's stuck quite solidly,"

When you take the generator apart, be ware that there may be a small brass screen inside the generator that needs to be addressed when cleaning the generator tube and when putting the generator back together.

zoomkat

You might consider just making a shade for your 220 that you can take on/off easily. As an experiment, the below were made from DollarTree pie pans before modifying a farm shade for more size.

zoomkat

"Took a home test, both lines showed up. You know what that means."

So when you due?

zoomkat

"Is there any instance where 220's provide more effective lighting than 228's?" If you have both, fire one of each up and see how they compare for your needs. Back in the day I considered the 228 lanterns to be "jungle" lanterns as they seem to appear to be used in more long term camp situations. Th...

zoomkat

In the past I found the below LSO-618 stove interesting as the generator is very similar in looks/construction to the 533 generator. I found the manufacturer's site on Alibaba and asked if they made replacement generators (vaporizer) for the stoves and they replied yes. I didn't pursue any further a...

zoomkat

"Oh well, at least they are still making replacement generators for the 533."

Well, note that the generator is a "special order" item that Ereplacementparts have to order from Coleman. I have a notion that it is a "you can't get there from here" thing.

zoomkat

"Will pull the valve and flush the tank well tomorrow."

When you pull the valve, make a note of what is clogging the fuel pickup orifice.

zoomkat

"Try lots of probing of the orifice with the pricker wire until the wire slides relatively easily in the orifice." If one is wanting to prick the generator orifice, I'd suggest getting one of the below brushes and use one of the bristles. Pricking an orifice with a real pricker wire is just asking f...

zoomkat

"Would run fine for a while then would hear a noise and flame would go out and could hear air blowing out of the burner. Any suggestions?"

How much fuel was in the tank? Was the stove sitting level?

zoomkat

I'd fire it up again at the house and pay close attention to the issue to see if it is still there. Has the stove been taken apart prior to the issue? Reinstalling burner rings incorrectly might result in flame issues.

zoomkat

"I no longer even see the article where fire breathers preferred using Coleman fuel."

I really don't see Coleman having that on their site. Just saying...

zoomkat

Too much risk for me to let random people come on my property and start doing unusual stuff.

zoomkat

"Nope. It's just some sort of boilerplate that is bandied about, I've never seen any confirmation of it either."

Yea, sounds like a "granny tale" to me as I don't see Coleman putting a specification like that on their fuel.

zoomkat

"When I flip it down to run position it stays that way no matter how far you open the valve. Is that just how 425's are or could the fuel tube be partially blocked? Never had a stove act this way, but I didn't take anything apart yet either." With the starting lever up, you should be getting air mix...

zoomkat

A low overhead thing to do might be to use black electrical tape around the bottom rim with maybe half folded under the rim edge to the inside to protect the rim edge from being scratched.

zoomkat

"Coleman says something like 1 year shelf life if the can has been opened,"

Is that on the cans?

zoomkat

Now those sellers know they were not asking enough.

zoomkat

"Been looking into small scale fuel containers eliminating the need to take take around a gallon size. Currently, I use a 1 quart size Crown container for this purpose." Empty plastic quart automotive oil containers as well as the small carbonated drink containers might be options. I think the oil c...

zoomkat

That type of lantern seems to be lighter weight than the older designs (I haven't done a weight comparison) and has a clever simple operating design.

zoomkat

Just s as side note on the smaller aluminum fuel bottles, I have a screw cap aluminum beer bottle I'm going to put a little fuel in and see if it will seal good over a period of time. The beer bottle shape should facilitate easy refueling of the smaller tank stoves and lanterns.

zoomkat

" I am wondering if the pricker is, in fact, blocking the orifice." I can ask the Magic 8 Ball, but probably better you remove the generator and see if there is pricker wire on the end of the pricker rod. If there is an intact pricker wire present, then you can carefully check to see if the pricker ...

zoomkat

"Any point/value in keeping these things? Both have spent canisters and missing/damaged gaskets."

Have you considered replacing the canisters and gaskets?

zoomkat

"Could you give me a bit more information about what you said below. When the pricker is pushed forward how is its position relating to the opening in the generator tip?" Did the stove have these issues before you took it apart? There should be a pricker wire on the end of the pricker rod that is mo...

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Uncle Poo Ping ~ Ancient Outhouse Philosopher Says:
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