Uncle Sidney ~~ Prison Philosopher Says:

"When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out my room!"

Dmacp

The frame rest is unique. It's not a frankie. The person selling it is an old time coleman employee. He states clearly what it is.

Dmacp

well, mechanically there isn't. "Major" was an early name Coleman used for the 236. Just like "Empire" was used for the 237. In both the US and Canada. And they were marked as such.

Dmacp

I don't think original factory coleman cups had a smooth side. I also think either side seals adequately, but this thread addresses the question of which is better. so I have engaged here to ask why. I offered a couple theories but someone should be able to give me a logical reason for it. Without a...

Dmacp

if you have enough lube in there anything will seal, but in the absence of lube, a smooth continuous sealing surface, seals better. Just my opinion. Rough rings would not seal very well either. I don't think I am overthinking anything. Actually I think just the opposite. You could argue that the rou...

Dmacp

Rough side out. Dont overthink it. .

Why?

Dmacp

thanks Carlton. I will add it to my file of US Empires. Everyone keeps track of something. For me it's these.
Another member has a US Major of about the same vintage.
also did it have a solid pump cap or a stamped one?
Again thanks

Dmacp

so let me ask you. which side would seal better against the pump barrel? and why? what kind of piston rings seal best on a bore? rough ones?

Dmacp

still waiting for a glimpse of that fount!

Dmacp

the plunger usually is in that position when they burn as there is nothing to lock it down.

Dmacp

the 930 is a nice lantern. I've owned several over the years. They are quite bright-the vent is practically brimless.

Dmacp

I do not recall ever seeing a Preway ad saying it burned both. Almost any lantern will run on kerosene if it is preheated. If someone has such an ad (old sears catalog?) would you post it? The tricky thing about Colemans, and other instant lighting lanterns is the vapor or ignition circuit. As any a...

Dmacp

Agostino helped me restore a D41 236, made in Canada. it took the exact globe my 41 237A had. no difference. But another early 237 (Empire) I own has the same logo but with the word "pyrex" on the back. They are early globes and look quite similar to yours.

Dmacp

Thanks you guys. My question is specific to a US lantern. I have one that is a 1940's lantern with this globe-others (same vintage) have large sunshine logos that are different.

Dmacp

so, was that logo ever used on US 237 lanterns bulge globe? Just asking. please don't direct me to dude. anyone have one that is original?
Particularly interested in the period of 1945-1962. US 236 and 237. Thanks.

Dmacp

Pretty sure the first 242Bs made used an "A" fount with no sidestamp. actually they are great lanterns because the B sidestamp caused cracking at the ends of the sun rays. I'm sorry I can't give you the date as mine has a thick layer of tin dip on the bottom. I think they did it for some time as I h...

Dmacp

the 242C valve is opposite the valve on the 242B. That confusing change is where it all started. The small side stamp was used but for a while the C had no side stamp. IMHO the side stamp was the reason for the change. The large stamp was prone to cracking right at the end of the long sun rays. (I h...

Dmacp

DeShazer was bombardier on plane #16 piloted by William Farrow, who was executed.

Dmacp

clean it with EZ off, rinse it and dry it. That should remove the black. then use naval jelly and it will cut the tarnish. don't leave it on too long, it can etch. rinse with water and scrub with a toothbrush. Rinse real well.
Then polish it.

Dmacp

Peter Green also passed on several years back.

Dmacp

well there's Euro's (lanterns not currency)

Dmacp

old porcelain gets porous. That according to porcelain guru Steve Palmer. (RIP). It degrades over time.

Dmacp

My frankie floor lamp running on a pressurematic

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looks more like "steampunk art" to me.

Dmacp

never much of a stovie but I have 4 or 5 Primus lanterns that are really neat. soldered together though, hard to fettle. But real nice stuff. I have that little mantle tin and some preheat bottles ("automatic can" they were called).

Dmacp

how many lanterns actually came with white letters? Steve's Akron shows traces of white indicating it was white at one time. But I've never really seen a Coleman with even a trace of white in the letters. Does anyone have an original Coleman Quicklite that has white letters? Does anyone know? Larry?

Dmacp

I think even "whiteout" will work. If they still make it.

Dmacp

I used to mold Buna-N under the name "Nitrile". Most airplane fuel cap gaskets were made of it in WWII. it is actually tougher than Viton.

Dmacp

it's easy. Use a white grease pencil or lacquer stick and rub off the excess. I used a sharpie to edge my letters a bit so it looks neater.

Dmacp

beautiful den!

Dmacp

they (Canada) made a green toploader case just for the 639. Just a hair shorter than the one for the 236/237

Dmacp

Do I just need the pinion gear or is it an assembly? I don't know. I'm not sure. any of mine would be assembled, and I don't think I ever experienced what you are going through. But the valve is definitely a different animal. I'll look around today and see what I have. I'm working on an Akron singl...

Dmacp

It’s well established what causes the blue ones but purple ones are a mystery. Actually you are looking at two different colors. Straw and blue. They correspond to the heat the part saw. If you've ever tempered a piece of O1 (oil hardening tool steel) you would know what I mean. as you apply heat t...

Dmacp

possibly may have some parts. Just ask.

Dmacp

slightly different but all the same headaches:

Dmacp

RR lantern globes are cast glass and will not stand up to a mantle lantern's heat.

Dmacp

I checked and 3 or 4 of mine are purple too. A few blue.

Dmacp

DNA is good stuff. It's been taken off the shelves in California along with a host of other chemicals including naphtha. Both still can be bought as "camp fuel" in sporting goods stores. Not hardware stores.

Dmacp

problem with JAFE is that, unless they are lit, the glass looks black

Dmacp

Geez. very sorry to hear that. my prayers to you and your brother Dean.

Dmacp

Prayers sent for your mom. And for your family.

Dmacp

Dmacp

My 236 is a 11-62 and it is Canadian. US lanterns never used the hemispherical vent, and they do not seem to have that frame. I have a 10-57 and 2-67 both US 237 lanterns and they have the older frame. This time I looked at the book, page 173, and the Canadian 237 with the late vent has an entirely ...

Dmacp

why didn't I think of looking in "the book". I just looked at my lanterns. Thanks guys.
I used to be the only "Dan" here but I'll answer to "dmacp" to avoid confusion with Dan.

Dmacp

don't let one of those go. a leak will erode the seal and you might end up with a hand full of (burning) gasoline. Like I did.

Dmacp

some, even most AGM lanterns crack spontaneously. there is no external stress. only forming stress. AGM cracks are usually straight, vertical, while Coleman cracks turn and meander somewhat. I wonder if the methods used for forming differed. Deep drawing Vs. spinning for example.

Dmacp

I'd like to know what you find on the frame. I do not think there is a difference between the 236 and 237 frames. But even the 1941 lanterns I have do not have the open bail tube configuration you show. I know I've seen one somewhere but where I do not know. I have all the early birds I think. <late...

Dmacp

ever notice stress cracks on a Coleman differ from those on an AGM?

Dmacp

wasn't asking. I already know the answer. The 249 generator nut is the same as the 237. at the base they are the same diameter. The 249 generator is shorter, to match the 249 frame which is also shorter. No the generators are not interchangeable. Maybe a picture will help. YES the burner end of the ...

Dmacp

the generators are the same diameter but the 249 is shorter

Dmacp

Which end to the burner? Thanks

I'll let you figure that one out

Dmacp

one end is 11/32 x 27 and the other end is 7/16 x 27.

Uncle Sidney ~~ Prison Philosopher Says: "When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out my room!"

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Uncle Sidney ~~ Prison Philosopher Says:

"When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out my room!"