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I find it would be interesting to start a new thread on ventilators and all the different styles introduced over the years in Canada or the US.
Many new collectors sometimes wonder if their lantern is original and if the parts were down right just swapped with something else.
This thread could help them determine if the vents are correct for a specific year and model.
We can all post some pictures and ask questions here.


Here is one example just to start the thread.

-1962 200 Sportlite Canada

- notice the original vent on this 1962 has no black dot.
this is correct for any (approx) 1960 until1967 200s
(The 200A started production in 67)


The last Canadian 200s to have a black dot was approximately 1959.
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Good info Greg
I should change the title and also include US models ?
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When I got my first--and so far only--Canadian lantern, a 236 from Major_Man, I was amazed at the heft of the vent (well, the whole lantern, actually). I weighed it at nearly 1 lb, while a similar 220 US vent weighed about half that!
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1940s 236/237 ventilators were much lighter in weight compared to the later 1950 high vents.
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I know Ago and I have had this conversation a few times regarding the Canadian 327 Signal vent and it's US counterpart. I'll go home and check my notes and add them to the conversation.
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Here are the vents as time progressed for Air O Lantern model QL.

First image is the earliest style , notice tabs on lower vent base for short QL327 wide reflector with same dimensions as 323 (5”x5”) mica , I believe at this time the tabs came about to secure the mica particularly when operating the swinging match lighting door, vent also has early pierced screen construction to attach it to vent. See piercings at bottom of screen.

Second image is a little later version with no more tabs for 323 size mica because later LQ327 mica dimensions were now 5 1/4 in height with narrow reflector, still has pierced screen.

Third image is steel brim also with pierced construction as on Yale ML-211, but some may have found their way on Air O Lantern QL as some of the steel founts did due to World War 1 brass shortages.

Forth image is latest version. No more piercings and has ridge at vent base under screen. It has a different way of screen attachment. This vent was used up into the Quicklite frame rest models. 


The tabs mentioned above may not have always appeared on torchlight IL,NL,GS and some bleed over may have occurred.
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The brimless red vent US Quicklite:
Eight examples of this type have been found on L327 / L427 lanterns dating from 1924-early 1927.
The only other few examples found to date are on USFS or FS stamped models dating from 1930-33.
All examples have a white underside.
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Here is a brimless green vent with white underside, found on a Government : SCS (soil conservation service) Flood Control Works 220B dated 12/1936.
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Good posts Larry
Thanks for the info
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Very good history there. Thank you.
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bigfrank97 wrote: I know Ago and I have had this conversation a few times regarding the Canadian 327 Signal vent and it's US counterpart. I'll go home and check my notes and add them to the conversation.

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here are some examples of
of Canadian 327/427 220B ventilators (left and centre)
approximately from 12/35 until 1943

The taller example on the right is from a US 220E

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Here are a few things to look out for on early Canadian 200 nickel plated "floodlite"

- General rule black dot ⚫️ from 1951 until end of production in 1959.
Dot gets gradually smaller after 52/53 but still present until 59. ( first 4 pictures)

- 1960-64 200 "sportlite" red painted brass founts ,no black dot. (last 2 pictures)

- 1965-67 200 "sportlite" steel fount ,no dot
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I noticed on the late 236 models some vents are much heavier than others. I believe my 64 has this. I will have a closer look tomorrow and up date.
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noticed that on the earlier('40's) ones too. The dark green ones are lighter, the seafoam ones heavier.
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US nickel 200, 11/50-01/51:





Underside dark blue with red speckles for an over-all purple look. Large dark blue dot.

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1962 ventilator
200 "sport-lite"
painted brass fount models only
no black dot
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(45?) 1946-47
236/237 Canada
Dark green ( lightvweight, thin)
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Since we’re talking vents, I bought a mint 6-51 Christmas that had a perfect beautiful ??vent that got a chip during shipping. And I have a less than mint 4-52 BB with a mint vent. Are those vent exactly the same? I thought about swapping them but I guess to remain correct they need to stay on the original lanterns?
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All the pictures are gone.
seems to be this way with most of the older posts. what a pity so much information lost.
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Yes, it seems digital is very ephemeral, I've noticed a lot of threads in the forum refer to photos that are no longer there. This thread is important - would there be anyone with ICCC that might have the time and resources to compile a database? I know everyone does this in their spare time, but for many during the pandemic there's currently a lot of spare time. Perhaps this is the time to archive history on some of this more obscure knowledge before everyone who knows it passes on!

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I've already asked Dean and Murff to help bring back photos from the previous server. Dean managed to get some of his from the tech archives back and Murff got one back. He said it was very time consuming and they would work at it as time permitted. Maybe Captainfantastic OR MAYBE UNCLE SIDNEY CAUSE HE IS SO DARN GOOD AT MANIPULATING THIS FORUM.... CAN HELP?
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1940s 236/237 ventilators were much lighter in weight compared to the later 1950 high vents.
Please bear with me while I disagree-1946-7 seafoam vents on 236-237s were heavier-much heavier than 1946-7 pea green vents on the same lanterns.
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Dmacp wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:26 am
1940s 236/237 ventilators were much lighter in weight compared to the later 1950 high vents.
Please bear with me while I disagree-1946-7 seafoam vents on 236-237s were heavier-much heavier than 1946-7 pea green vents on the same lanterns.

yes they were heavier
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Finally got the Feb '29 Canadian slant in my hands that I purchased from a gentleman online months ago held safely by my brother until now.

The L220 came with this non-correct vent - perhaps off a Mountie? It's definitely a lighter shade of green. Thoughts?

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