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Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:49 pm
by coolmancool
Yes new, TY ! But not to the cools, just this forum ! Sooooo, my ? Is . If the purest on different Coleman sites say that the date year is to the left on the fount bottom of the USA 242B & the month on the right , but yet manufactured from 37 - 42 I believe I read from Old Town . Then how does a 5 8 fit in ? Ty & excellent site ☀️

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:51 pm
by Leviticus_Tomethreus
Well mate. Context clues. Wasn’t made in 35 or 45, so it had to be the month. Then that makes 8 the year. 5/38

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:01 pm
by REJ2
Also, the collar may say 242B, but are you absolutely sure the collar is original to that lantern? I have some that are not.

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:06 pm
by coolmancool
Then One could throw out the window yr being first, orrrrr were they actually made in 35 & 36 , which I hv read that also & then who would really know what their true date is , if it’s just a guessing game , unless they hv identical #'s on either side or a double digit on their’s, & of course they weren’t till later years !

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:07 pm
by coolmancool
Yes for sure on the collar, I know where this lantern came from it would not have been tampered with and wasn’t used all that much either

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:08 pm
by coolmancool
yes 242B original

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:54 pm
by Northman49
If Coleman Wichita had invested in an extra digit then all this confusion would be avoided. Toronto did it right!

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:35 pm
by gwillmot
:cf_flag_canada: :cf_redlantern:

Here! Here!

Speaking of Canada ..... I wonder if we could get
Mr.jpg
to settle this thing once and for all??????

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:38 pm
by coolmancool
Sooooo then, Say hypothetically that I had a nickel 242B that had a 7 2 , then who’s to say it’s a Feb 37 & not a July 42 , don’t want to cause more confusion buttttttt agree with guillemot , can we just settle this intellects 🎓

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:47 pm
by Ridge_Runner
coolmancool wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:38 pm Sooooo then, Say hypothetically that I had a nickel 242B that had a 7 2 , then who’s to say it’s a Feb 37 & not a July 42 , don’t want to cause more confusion buttttttt agree with guillemot , can we just settle this intellects 🎓
It would likely be a green painted fount in ‘42.

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:29 pm
by coolmancool
old town shows nickel fount 37-42 , & green fount 41-42 ! i can only go by what i read in my searches

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:17 pm
by Tgarner01
I have 5 examples of reversed date lanterns ranging from 1937-1940 IIRC. I made a post with photos several months ago... May still be available through a search 🤷‍♂️ Very common. Also some upside down stamped numbers... I find it fun trying to figure them out, Canadian dates are too easy 😁

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:31 pm
by coolmancool
without seeking to far TG, whats the main give away that tells you, me or anyone else , that they are truly backwards & not actually manufactured on or in years that we may not hv realized , the upside down, yeah i get that would be obvious !

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:53 pm
by coolmancool
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Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:11 am
by Tgarner01
coolmancool wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:31 pm without seeking to far TG, whats the main give away that tells you, me or anyone else , that they are truly backwards & not actually manufactured on or in years that we may not hv realized , the upside down, yeah i get that would be obvious !
Coleman has records with dates of when lamps and lanterns, all GPAs for that matter were shipped. I'm assuming this is were the dating information comes from.

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:39 am
by coolmancool
Is that where your info came from when you said you had a post on the reverse date subject ? & where can this be found ? just out of interest , im not really a buyer, seller or probably even a collector , sorta just stumble into these items & dont go out of my way to find them ! when i do hv an item though , i just like to know as much of the true history of them as possible , & Thanks for all the replies !

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:47 am
by Tgarner01
coolmancool wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:39 am Is that where your info came from when you said you had a post on the reverse date subject ? & where can this be found ? just out of interest , im not really a buyer, seller or probably even a collector , sorta just stumble into these items & dont go out of my way to find them ! when i do hv an item though , i just like to know as much of the true history of them as possible , & Thanks for all the replies !
I was just showing some of my examples. Here's you some reading material.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20576&p=274477&hilit

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:21 am
by Rhubarb
It has been mentioned many times that Coleman never threw anything out. Speculation about a stash of base plates or founts popping up in a production run has been brought up more than once. Swapped and upside down date stamps cannot be denied.

The date ranges have been narrowed down in most cases by combing through old shipping records, advertisements, and various catalogs. It's not an exact science. The http://intlccc.net/information/modelyea ... /by-model/ and 'the book' say the 242B was manufactured from 36 to 42. I think Dr. Marsh agrees with your 1937 start date. https://terry-marsh.com/coleman-us-lanterns-1936-1945/

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:28 am
by gwillmot
Tgarner01 wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:17 pm I have 5 examples of reversed date lanterns ranging from 1937-1940 IIRC. I made a post with photos several months ago... May still be available through a search 🤷‍♂️ Very common. Also some upside down stamped numbers... I find it fun trying to figure them out, Canadian dates are too easy 😁
I'll have to go with what TG says as I've observed the same "anomalies" myself. One has to realize that these were hand-stamped and as such, mistakes were made I'm sure.
Sorry CoolManCool ..... but I'm going to have to dump the moose as a reliable source!
gwillmeaux

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:07 am
by coolmancool
Thanks all, & whats a couple years difference anyway when one has a cool vintage , i know the purest wont like this , but i like the contrast of the nickel fount & the collar to brass look , for just hanging around ! I KNOW I KNOW , so you dont hv to mention it

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:27 am
by Murff
I found this archive photo of the guy who stamped dates on founts back in the 30s and early 40s:

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Sadly, he died in WWII when he got drunk and was hit by a Jeep.

Murff

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:39 am
by coolmancool
Thank Goodness, no Canadians drank since they got it right , HEE HEE . Their more into nature than War !

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:14 am
by Gasman64
I just wanted to say
:cf_welcomejump:
from another Pennsylvanian...

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:03 pm
by coolmancool
Thanks Steve , Glad to be here !

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:37 pm
by williamlee111
1936-1965 made in Canada 242B

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:13 pm
by Tigerfans2
coolmancool wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:39 am Thank Goodness, no Canadians drank since they got it right , HEE HEE . Their more into nature than War !
Yeah, that's why they stayed neutral in WWII.




waiting for it.....

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:57 pm
by ecblanks
I also just don't think oldetown has the most accurate or up-to-date info

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:44 pm
by Dmacp
they reversed those numbers several times for no apparent reason before '49. And why not, they were not concerned with collectors trying to figure out why they did it 70 years later.

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:50 pm
by StanDahl
To help narrow it down, if it has the large Coleman sunrise stamp on the side of the fount, it's 1938. If not, 1935.

I have seen a couple with that date, but I didn't make note of the presence or absence of a stamp. One definitely has a 242B collar, but I didn't see a photo of the fount stamp.

I have seen at least one 242B with a backwards date stamp - the left digit was a "10".

I agree with the assessment of the accuracy of the Old Town Coleman date list, it needs an update. The ICCC list is more accurate.

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:33 pm
by BillG
Tigerfans2 wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:13 pm
coolmancool wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:39 am Thank Goodness, no Canadians drank since they got it right , HEE HEE . Their more into nature than War !
Yeah, that's why they stayed neutral in WWII.




waiting for it.....
and here it is.......The military history of Canada during World War II.... In all, some 1.1 million Canadians served in the Canadian Army, Royal Canadian Navy, Royal Canadian Air Force, and in forces across the Commonwealth, with approximately 42,000 killed and another 55,000 wounded. The financial cost was $21.8 billion between 1939 and 1950.[5] By the end of the war Canada had the world's fourth largest air force,[6] and fifth largest navy.[7] The Canadian Merchant Navy completed over 25,000 voyages across the Atlantic,[8] 130,000 Allied pilots were trained in Canada in the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan. On D-Day, 6 June 1944 the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division landed on "Juno" beach in Normandy, in conjunction with allied forces. The Second World War had significant cultural, political and economic effects on Canada, including the conscription crisis in 1944 which affected unity between francophones and anglophones. The war effort strengthened the Canadian economy and furthered Canada's global position.

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:03 pm
by Northman49
Notice the date???? Not a fan of Canada's attachment to the foreign monarchy...but it's history.
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Probably one of the last Canadian Coleman 500 made before the war.
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Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:08 pm
by gwillmot
[quote=BillG post_id=316038 time=1614465195 user_id=132

and here it is.......The military history of Canada during World War II.... In all, some 1.1 million Canadians served in the Canadian Army, Royal Canadian Navy, Royal Canadian Air Force, and in forces across the Commonwealth, with approximately 42,000 killed and another 55,000 wounded. The financial cost was $21.8 billion between 1939 and 1950.[5] By the end of the war Canada had the world's fourth largest air force,[6] and fifth largest navy.[7] The Canadian Merchant Navy completed over 25,000 voyages across the Atlantic,[8] 130,000 Allied pilots were trained in Canada in the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan. On D-Day, 6 June 1944 the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division landed on "Juno" beach in Normandy, in conjunction with allied forces. The Second World War had significant cultural, political and economic effects on Canada, including the conscription crisis in 1944 which affected unity between francophones and anglophones. The war effort strengthened the Canadian economy and furthered Canada's global position.
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Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:29 pm
by Tigerfans2
BillG wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:33 pm
Tigerfans2 wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:13 pm
coolmancool wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:39 am Thank Goodness, no Canadians drank since they got it right , HEE HEE . Their more into nature than War !
Yeah, that's why they stayed neutral in WWII.




waiting for it.....
and here it is.......The military history of Canada during World War II.... In all, some 1.1 million Canadians served in the Canadian Army, Royal Canadian Navy, Royal Canadian Air Force, and in forces across the Commonwealth, with approximately 42,000 killed and another 55,000 wounded. The financial cost was $21.8 billion between 1939 and 1950.[5] By the end of the war Canada had the world's fourth largest air force,[6] and fifth largest navy.[7] The Canadian Merchant Navy completed over 25,000 voyages across the Atlantic,[8] 130,000 Allied pilots were trained in Canada in the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan. On D-Day, 6 June 1944 the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division landed on "Juno" beach in Normandy, in conjunction with allied forces. The Second World War had significant cultural, political and economic effects on Canada, including the conscription crisis in 1944 which affected unity between francophones and anglophones. The war effort strengthened the Canadian economy and furthered Canada's global position.
Tongue. In. Cheek.

AKA irony.

Irony needs to be a mandatory subject taught in high school.

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:26 pm
by gwillmot
Irony ... isn't that included in the Home Economics course? Maybe not since the introduction of Permanent Press garments .....

Re: Is The Dating Still In? Even to the “experts”

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:26 pm
by CoolPro
This thread is totally off the rails, but I'd just like to point out that Canada's military is today still using all the millitary hardware from our WWII adventures - because we like nature more than war or something?

Cheers!