200A - How to control rust on burner frame?

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200A - How to control rust on burner frame?

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Good evening. I was fortunate enough to find my grandfather's April 1971 model 200A hanging in an open-air storage shed. He passed away in 1989 and the lantern had probably been hanging in the shed for at least 40 years, missing the globe and (gasp) the remnants of old fuel causing a heavy varnish-and-rust coating inside the fount.
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With a whole lot of elbow grease and vinegar, and a proper bit of prepping, priming and painting (and a new globe), I was able to clean up this little feller inside and out and resurrect it from disuse and abandonment. A new decal is on the way...
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Anyway, I was able to remove the rust from the burner frame with vinegar, time, and quite a bit of scrubbing. What is the best way to keep it from rusting again? I have some high-heat silver paint that I have used on prior projects, but was wondering if there was a better way to protect the metal. Thanks.
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I have used the high heat silver paint before but don’t like how they look finished so from now on I I apply a coat of 3-in-1 oil and clean the excess. This method doesn’t keep metal from rusting again but I like how the natural finish over any paint or clear coat but this is just a personal preference and you could use silver or clear paint for longer rust stopper
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You might look at electroplating it with a protective metal coating. Youtube has a lot of DIY videos.
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Nice work!

I spy a Jansport (D3?) backpack in that pic, those were the cadillac for carrying the loads back in the day.
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First I had son-in-law take frames to work and sand blast. Then painted with VHT primer and silver paint. Followed heating instructions on the can and used my BBQ to provide heat as close to temp indicated as possible. I don't have a problem with how it looks and chances of having to redo down the road is reduced. If you are wanting a shelf queen never to be run or outdoors you might get it plated somewhere.
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Just want to add that when I painted the frame I took the time to tape off the air intake tube. This took way too long and was a bugger to get it all off later. Next time I am going to try painting this tube also. These were model Canadian 200's
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Stovie wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:08 am Nice work!

I spy a Jansport (D3?) backpack in that pic, those were the cadillac for carrying the loads back in the day.
That is a D3, roughly 1974 vintage. My Scoutmaster had one, and I looked for one for years before I found that one. I still use it for "sherpa duty" when hiking with the kids.
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Thanks all. I plan to use this lantern regularly (as they are meant to be) so I think I'll try the 3-in-1 oil treatment on this one.
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I reckon you are living near the sea coast. Salty air can wreck havoc to any unprotected steel.
Any VHT silver or aluminum paint would do fine on the frame, provided well-applied and properly cured.
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i have done the carpenter pencil method on a few so far and no rust. this is kind of a pain to do,hard on a 220 series and a bit harder on the 200/200a series due to the nooks and crannies but very satisfying when done. this is simply rubbing a sharpened pencil all over the rust and then using a regular pencil for the tight places. it will remove the rust,polish the metal and leave a protective coating behind. this will require some effort but it works good.
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brokenmantle wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:38 pm i have done the carpenter pencil method on a few so far and no rust. this is kind of a pain to do,hard on a 220 series and a bit harder on the 200/200a series due to the nooks and crannies but very satisfying when done. this is simply rubbing a sharpened pencil all over the rust and then using a regular pencil for the tight places. it will remove the rust,polish the metal and leave a protective coating behind. this will require some effort but it works good.
Never ever heard of that. Looks like a lot of fun hahaha
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it is but one has to be in the mood. i have a few that are waiting for the treatment, some 220cs and a few agm singles,oh and 2 milspecs i recently got but they are just a few spots on the bottom of those.
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I tried what I think Warren suggested, heat the frame with a heat gun and the douse it with deep creep. It’s been over 6 months and the frame is still looking good.

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johneliot wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:08 am I tried what I think Warren suggested, heat the frame with a heat gun and the douse it with deep creep. It’s been over 6 months and the frame is still looking good.
Deep Creep? Can you enlighten me please?
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I don't think I paid this much. I found it local.

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johneliot wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:08 am I tried what I think Warren suggested, heat the frame with a heat gun and the douse it with deep creep. It’s been over 6 months and the frame is still looking good.
Wonder if PB Blaster would be a suitable substitute?
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Similar to the old method of heating steel and quenching in used engine oil.
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MYN927 wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:22 am Similar to the old method of heating steel and quenching in used engine oil.
I do that with other parts and love the black finish
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I've done something similar but use Gibbs Brand oil. It seems to work well. I bead blasted a 200 frame, wiped it down with lacquer thinner and a liberal dose of Gibbs and fired it up. Wiped off any excess after it cooled down. Still looks good. Granted I live in a fairly arid climate so your mileage may vary...

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Just an info, some might use phosphoric acid to give a gray phosphated finish. In my experience, phosphated finishes don't do very well if its heated like on the frame. It gets dehydrated and loose its rust protective properties that way.
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ACF-50 is another really good product. The biggest problem is that the burner frame gets exposed to very high temps, which tend to burn everything off that keeps rust from forming.
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