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237b leaking fount

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Just purchased a 237b. Did a quick cleaning of it "I kinda liked the patena" and fired it up. Ran it about 3 hours monday evening. Picked it up just now and there is a wet spot under it. It was left with a near full tank under pressure. What now, so disappointed 😞.
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new fount time.
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I hate it when that happens. That's a 220B fount. Maybe you can fix it.
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He did replace a 227 fount bottom with a steel plate and JB weld......
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Leviticus_Tomethreus wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:31 am He did replace a 227 fount bottom with a steel plate and JB weld......
Levi, you're going to get me in trouble. I wasn't going to tell people I did that. I do have a replacement for the 227 on its way.
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Brad C wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:45 am
Leviticus_Tomethreus wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:31 am He did replace a 227 fount bottom with a steel plate and JB weld......
Levi, you're going to get me in trouble. I wasn't going to tell people I did that. I do have a replacement for the 227 on its way.
Well. No original 237b replacement. You can’t beat that original paint and sticker. I told my friends anyway. 😁
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I'd say the bottom's probably rusting through at various points.
I don't belong to those fortunate ones that might be getting donor or replacement founts. These things never seem to come my way.
Therefore, I'm one of those that will attempt to repair it whatever the impending risks are. That's just me,..certainly not a suggestion.
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That looks like a low point pin hole that might be patched with solder. I'd clean the small area and see how large the thin area is.
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I agree, the original fount of a 237B is what makes it unique, and they certainly do not grow on trees. Sorry bud :(
You do have a few options:
1 - If you can't find an original 237B replacement, a 220/228C is the same thing. Mike sells the decal. Not original but as close as you can get.
2. Repair - some folks will tell you that Kero isn't as combustible as CF/gasoline and have no qualms with making a repair (solder and caswells). I can't/won't officiallly recommend it , but folks do do it.
3. Shelf queen.
4. Shelf queen with a runner fount that you swap "on demand". You could use a 220E with the decal for effect. Here's one that I did (237):
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It lived outside last night in case the leak got worse. With no pressure in the fount and it full of fuel, there was no sign of the leak. I may try to repair it this weekend. I will do some cleaning and poking on the bottom and see what I can tell. Thanks
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ecblanks wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:35 pm I agree, the original fount of a 237B is what makes it unique, and they certainly do not grow on trees. Sorry bud :(
You do have a few options:
1 - If you can't find an original 237B replacement, a 220/228C is the same thing. Mike sells the decal. Not original but as close as you can get.
2. Repair - some folks will tell you that Kero isn't as combustible as CF/gasoline and have no qualms with making a repair (solder and caswells). I can't/won't officiallly recommend it , but folks do do it.
3. Shelf queen.
4. Shelf queen with a runner fount that you swap "on demand". You could use a 220E with the decal for effect. Here's one that I did (237):
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With a 2/7 date you're looking for a fount from a 237B or a wartime 220B/BX. The wartime B being the more common of the two, but also a desirable lantern... Not to mention needing a repaint to match.... Good luck on your search, and bummer...
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Normally these these (in my history) rust from the inside out. Sometimes a pinhole on the outside is accompanied by a alger area inside that is rusted and thin. I had a wonderful 237 that had two pinholes in the bottom and when i looked inside the rust was extensive bit giant pits. So it might be a good idea to look inside to see if you can identify the width of the area that is rusted. Do you have a borescope?

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If the thickness will allow, turn an epoxy dipped screw into the hole and tighten it. If it holds, caswell the inside right over it.
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I have ordered a POR 15 tank sealing kit. I am going to try to clean and seal it. I feel it is a little taboo to talk about on here, although I am very new to the forum. I am taking into consideration that this is a kerosene lantern. Thanks, guys
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I don't think it's "taboo", I just think guys are hesitant to have their name attached to advice that turned into a burn accident. Or maybe that's the definition of taboo.
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ecblanks wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:49 pm I don't think it's "taboo", I just think guys are hesitant to have their name attached to advice that turned into a burn accident. Or maybe that's the definition of taboo.
I agree, they are just being responsiable.
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I will say this, folks have been using Caswells for years so much so that Caswells developed a product specifically marketed for lantern fixing. You should investigate their product. I've never used it.
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I was not aware that Caswell made a product specificly for founts. I will send this POR 15 back and order the Caswell. What should I use to prepare the fount? Thanks
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Brad C wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:53 am I was not aware that Caswell made a product specificly for founts. I will send this POR 15 back and order the Caswell. What should I use to prepare the fount? Thanks
Brad here is the info. Read instructions and no need to scrap all rust away

https://caswellplating.com/lantern-font ... g-kit.html
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Pancholoco1911 wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:49 am
Brad C wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:53 am I was not aware that Caswell made a product specificly for founts. I will send this POR 15 back and order the Caswell. What should I use to prepare the fount? Thanks
Brad here is the info. Read instructions and no need to scrap all rust away

https://caswellplating.com/lantern-font ... g-kit.html
That is interesting, also that they find it worth creating a specialist product (or brand) given the market size of 'lantern repairs'! Well done and a 'thank you' to them!
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Caswell actually shows an AGM lantern in their ad. They are quite confident.

If the pinhole will take a machine screw, you should turn one in to the hole. Dip it in Caswell's first. Then coat the fount.
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I did have a nice Canadian 236 that had epoxy (not caswell's) poured in to the fount to seal it. It failed eventually so I recommend cleaning the inside of the fount (POR marine clean works) before using the sealer. That is contrary to their instructions.
POR is what I used to use. Heat will fail it. the heat of a single mantle lantern running for several hours will cause it to lose it's grip. Epoxy will also soften under heat.
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Well I resealed the tank last Friday. The inside of the tank actually looked pretty good. With only a couple of rust spots. I rinsed it out, then etched, and then reseal the bottom only. As of right now it seems to be good. Keep in mind this is a kerosene burner.
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