Old Style Filler Cap Issue

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Re: Old Style Filler Cap Issue

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zoomkat wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:17 pm "can't get the screw out of the disc on any of them..."

Not sure just how the tool previously pictured works, but something similar might be made from wood and two clamps to squeeze the cap and insert together to allow turning the screw. The below pictures are just a clearance test for using a small pair of round jawed vice grips ($1 from the DollarTree store) to clamp the cap and insert together. A little grinding on the vice grip teeth and small pieces of plumber's rubber for padding might get the cap and insert locked together. I'd use some 400 grit wet auto body sand paper with a flat wood block to make sure the tank filler neck surfaces are dressed smooth with no pits or rust on the edge.
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Here's how the cap tool works
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The small Allen screws clamp the body of the cap to keep it from slipping. The big bolt provides clamping force from the bottom to keep the cap insert from slipping.
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The hole in the top provides access to the screw. Use a screwdriver that fits the screw head properly.


Put the whole tool in a vise clamp to hold it securely while removing the screw and the cap comes apart easily.
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Well the pics are a bit out of order and I can't seem to straighten it out. But you get the idea.
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Rustytank wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:37 am Well the pics are a bit out of order and I can't seem to straighten it out. But you get the idea.
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Re: Old Style Filler Cap Issue

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" But you get the idea."

Yea, that is basically what I was thinking of making up from wood. With wood I would use a small piece of wood or similar inside the cap to push in against the insert instead of a bolt. Just thinking of a way to use wood and clamps/bolts instead of having to source and cut/drill metal.
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zoomkat wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:38 am " But you get the idea."

Yea, that is basically what I was thinking of making up from wood. With wood I would use a small piece of wood or similar inside the cap to push in against the insert instead of a bolt. Just thinking of a way to use wood and clamps/bolts instead of having to source and cut/drill metal.
I'm sure it could be done.
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JimL wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:01 am Folks, unless I'm reading it wrong, he can't remove the screw to remove the insert and change the gasket.

To the OP, get and try some penetrating oil if you can. Although anything's possible, I suggest keeping expectations very low for using WD-40 as a penetrating oil.
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A Seabee wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:00 am
JimL wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:01 am Folks, unless I'm reading it wrong, he can't remove the screw to remove the insert and change the gasket.

To the OP, get and try some penetrating oil if you can. Although anything's possible, I suggest keeping expectations very low for using WD-40 as a penetrating oil.
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when burning out the old gasket it is much easier if you apply heat to the back of the insert instead of directly on the rubber. The gasket often will come out in one piece.
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I just burn the crap out of it, then dump the still-hot insert into a tub of water:

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The gasket usually comes right out. No scraping needed.
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Dmacp wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:46 pm when burning out the old gasket it is much easier if you apply heat to the back of the insert instead of directly on the rubber. The gasket often will come out in one piece.
Interesting...would like to try it... ;)
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My Old Style caps just twist off!
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Gunhippie wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:57 pm I just burn the crap out of it, then dump the still-hot insert into a tub of water:

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The gasket usually comes right out. No scraping needed.
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Here are some photos of one i made based on GeorgiaBoy's tool. I made this with aluminum stock, a hacksaw, a file to clean up the edges, a drill press, some taps, and old bolts.

It works by putting the cap between the two plates with the screw oriented into the hole in the middle of the upper plate. The bolts are tightened down and clamp the cap so it won't move as you try to loose the screw. There is also a small piece of rubber that helps prevent paint damage.

If it does not turn easily - i take it out squirt a bit of PBBlaster into the cap let it sit for a couple hours and then try again. I have never had a screw that I could not remove with this tool.

And I add again my thanks to GeorgiaBoy for sharing how to make this GREAT tool.

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Re: Old Style Filler Cap Issue

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Phredd wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:47 pm Here are some photos of one i made based on GeorgiaBoy's tool. I made this with aluminum stock, a hacksaw, a file to clean up the edges, a drill press, some taps, and old bolts.

It works by putting the cap between the two plates with the screw oriented into the hole in the middle of the upper plate. The bolts are tightened down and clamp the cap so it won't move as you try to loose the screw. There is also a small piece of rubber that helps prevent paint damage.

If it does not turn easily - i take it out squirt a bit of PBBlaster into the cap let it sit for a couple hours and then try again. I have never had a screw that I could not remove with this tool.

And I add again my thanks to GeorgiaBoy for sharing how to make this GREAT tool.

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Trimmed a piece of drawer liner for use with GeorgiaBoy's device...worked well.

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The other thing is working on the little screw without creating a burr or chipping the paint off of it. I have a few that look like they have never been disassembled. Wonder if they will still look that way after I'm done with them... :|
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Dmacp wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:46 pm when burning out the old gasket it is much easier if you apply heat to the back of the insert instead of directly on the rubber. The gasket often will come out in one piece.
I tried this, it worked great. The gasket didn't come out in one piece, but it wasn't hard to remove all of it.
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burnt bacon wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:03 pm The other thing is working on the little screw without creating a burr or chipping the paint off of it. I have a few that look like they have never been disassembled. Wonder if they will still look that way after I'm done with them... :|
That is where a proper fitting screwdriver comes in, don't be afraid to get one that is a bit oversized and grind it to fit. But many of the interchangeable bit screwdriver sets have a flat bit that is about perfect.
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Rustytank wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 10:29 pm
burnt bacon wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:03 pm The other thing is working on the little screw without creating a burr or chipping the paint off of it. I have a few that look like they have never been disassembled. Wonder if they will still look that way after I'm done with them... :|
That is where a proper fitting screwdriver comes in, don't be afraid to get one that is a bit oversized and grind it to fit. But many of the interchangeable bit screwdriver sets have a flat bit that is about perfect.
Got it, thanks...I'm using a decent gunsmithing screwdriver, but the end could be just a tad larger.
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burnt bacon wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 10:38 pm
Rustytank wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 10:29 pm
burnt bacon wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:03 pm The other thing is working on the little screw without creating a burr or chipping the paint off of it. I have a few that look like they have never been disassembled. Wonder if they will still look that way after I'm done with them... :|
That is where a proper fitting screwdriver comes in, don't be afraid to get one that is a bit oversized and grind it to fit. But many of the interchangeable bit screwdriver sets have a flat bit that is about perfect.
Got it, thanks...I'm using a decent gunsmithing screwdriver, but the end could be just a tad larger.
Go bigger and grind to fit
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Rustytank wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 10:42 pm Go bigger and grind to fit
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You'd think one of these would work...but, noooooooooo... LOL

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Rustytank wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:37 am Well the pics are a bit out of order and I can't seem to straighten it out. But you get the idea.
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