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Down to the pickup tube. You won't be removing that pickup tube without serious regret. It's soldered (or leaded) at the top and bottom of the fount. It's a straight pickup, so no F/A tube to be concerned with.
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A little straightening, a burner cap, probably a generator from the looks of the bend in it and you'll be running. Do you have a pump?
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Tgarner01 wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:14 pm A little straightening, a burner cap, probably a generator from the looks of the bend in it and you'll be running. Do you have a pump?
Not a Coleman one alas but a ball pump works well on my 168K.
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JimL wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:40 pm Down to the pickup tube. You won't be removing that pickup tube without serious regret. It's soldered (or leaded) at the top and bottom of the fount. It's a straight pickup, so no F/A tube to be concerned with.
Pick up tube = the tube coming out of the fount = gas tank 🤣???
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MommaG wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:18 pm
Tgarner01 wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:14 pm A little straightening, a burner cap, probably a generator from the looks of the bend in it and you'll be running. Do you have a pump?
Not a Coleman one alas but a ball pump works well on my 168K.
Should work perfect 👍
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Tgarner01 wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:14 pm A little straightening, a burner cap, probably a generator from the looks of the bend in it and you'll be running. Do you have a pump?
Aww yes why no little cup on the generator? No pre heat? I figure I call the burner cap the right thing = where the mantel ties on
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Correct on the burner cap (mantle hanger 😁) this will require a preheat, just not as long of one as kerosene burners do. Original instructions were to use two matches, I use a small butane torch for 10 seconds give it take depending on temperature.
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Tgarner01 wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:29 pm Correct on the burner cap (mantle hanger 😁) this will require a preheat, just not as long of one as kerosene burners do. Original instructions were to use two matches, I use a small butane torch for 10 seconds give it take depending on temperature.
So this runs on coleman fuel ? Or?
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MommaG wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:32 pm
Tgarner01 wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:29 pm Correct on the burner cap (mantle hanger 😁) this will require a preheat, just not as long of one as kerosene burners do. Original instructions were to use two matches, I use a small butane torch for 10 seconds give it take depending on temperature.
So this runs on coleman fuel ? Or?
Yes. Coleman fuel aka white gas, Crown, Naptha.
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Somehow I assumed it would be kerosene. But then no cup. I assumed it was lost. Thanks for the info. I love the fount is huge.
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MommaG wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:38 pm Somehow I assumed it would be kerosene. But then no cup. I assumed it was lost. Thanks for the info. I love the fount is huge.
You are not the first to assume I'm sure. They really are beautiful lamps in my opinion!

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Wow very nice lamp.
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Tgarner01 wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:29 pm Correct on the burner cap (mantle hanger 😁) this will require a preheat, just not as long of one as kerosene burners do. Original instructions were to use two matches, I use a small butane torch for 10 seconds give it take depending on temperature.
The two match method was for the Q99, I don't think it would be sufficient for a R55. I would definitely use a torch.
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Mister_Wilson wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:32 am
Tgarner01 wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:29 pm Correct on the burner cap (mantle hanger 😁) this will require a preheat, just not as long of one as kerosene burners do. Original instructions were to use two matches, I use a small butane torch for 10 seconds give it take depending on temperature.
The two match method was for the Q99, I don't think it would be sufficient for a R55. I would definitely use a torch.
You are correct, and I'm normally in a hurry so butane is my friend 😉
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She is day 2 of liquid wrench. The shade holder is really on there. Gas cap is finally off and the nut is also moving! I am very excited to find a shade.
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Heat is what you need on that shade holder bolt.
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Majicwrench wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:55 pm Heat is what you need on that shade holder bolt.
Gotta be honest I am not very mechanical. God knows how I get them apart and together. So heat like a torch? I have a mini butane one in the kitchen. Would that work.
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Tgarner01 wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:35 am
Mister_Wilson wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:32 am
Tgarner01 wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:29 pm Correct on the burner cap (mantle hanger 😁) this will require a preheat, just not as long of one as kerosene burners do. Original instructions were to use two matches, I use a small butane torch for 10 seconds give it take depending on temperature.
The two match method was for the Q99, I don't think it would be sufficient for a R55. I would definitely use a torch.
You are correct, and I'm normally in a hurry so butane is my friend 😉
Really a torch? I finally have the cup thing down. No drama! Well boo but I have a kitchen torch. Good enough for this?
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A preheat cup is great, that’s what they’re for. Torches are for those of us that are impatient.
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Yes, the heat will help loosen things and the heat/cool cycles will help pull whatever lubricant into threads.
I heat it (with a butane torch you can't hardly get it too hot) for 10 seconds or so, piss on it with something, let it sit a day or so. Do it again. And again. Tapping with small hammer also helps loosen it. Tapping. The handle of a kitchen knife would work. Eventually you are gonna have to use a little force, if it breaks, now you drill and tap.

Which brings me to the question.....do you have to remove shade holder??
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Majicwrench wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:30 am Yes, the heat will help loosen things and the heat/cool cycles will help pull whatever lubricant into threads.
I heat it (with a butane torch you can't hardly get it too hot) for 10 seconds or so, piss on it with something, let it sit a day or so. Do it again. And again. Tapping with small hammer also helps loosen it. Tapping. The handle of a kitchen knife would work. Eventually you are gonna have to use a little force, if it breaks, now you drill and tap.

Which brings me to the question.....do you have to remove shade holder??
She is a bent lady. I have to get it all apart to straighten her out. the shade holder has a fold in it
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Mister_Wilson wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:12 am A preheat cup is great, that’s what they’re for. Torches are for those of us that are impatient.

This one doesnt have one. 😐 So i will learn a meq skill.
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You can straighten things while on the lamp. But of course do as you please, looking forward to progress reports.
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Oh really? Seriously I am happy for all and any advice. I wing it I am not at all mechanical. I have a goal of a working lamp to first of all take camping. Second is if it cleans up really nice then she will live on my grand parents furniture. I could then use her often. I simply love the way I feel like a kid. We were close to Mennonites and summers visits to rural Ontario, an island cottage using this kind of stuff. Best memories. So the other lamp I have already I use alot for the garage. She lives inside on an old sideboard sometimes. I have got lucky and been able to get all my old Coleman finds to work.
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Mister_Wilson wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:12 am A preheat cup is great, that’s what they’re for. Torches are for those of us that are impatient.
Curious question if I may .. Your profile suggests you live near Amish area. I am facinated with the chandeliers. Do they have them? I have wondered about that since I first seen one.
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I have never seen on. Wall mounted Leacock lamps are the closest I've seen.
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Mister_Wilson wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:37 am I have never seen on. Wall mounted Leacock lamps are the closest I've seen.
Thanks for answering. I was very curious. I just love the lamps.
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The nut and the shade hanger are off! So I noticed the burner is copper. Should it be? So far i can not get any other parts off but the air tube.looks like the other coleman lamp I have never taken the generator out of any of my lanterns.
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Majicwrench wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:30 am Yes, the heat will help loosen things and the heat/cool cycles will help pull whatever lubricant into threads.
I heat it (with a butane torch you can't hardly get it too hot) for 10 seconds or so, piss on it with something, let it sit a day or so. Do it again. And again. Tapping with small hammer also helps loosen it. Tapping. The handle of a kitchen knife would work. Eventually you are gonna have to use a little force, if it breaks, now you drill and tap.

Which brings me to the question.....do you have to remove shade holder??
Oh man thank you. The shade holder is off and it is almost round. Can I use thar method on other parts?
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Heat is a good tool on most things like this.

The other items that won't come "off" do you need to get em off??

Generator is made to come off, so it will easily. Takes a 5/16" wrench, loosen nut, lift genny a bit and out it comes.
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I honestly don't know. I need to straighten her. The collar below the handle is badly rusted. As for the burner its copper but the single burner cap was normal coleman looking. The air tube was loose when I got her as well. Being honest I will need to you tube how to on the generator in all likely hood. I am just a lady that quilts and loves these damn things.
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Our host can help with parts.

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These should be pretty close. If you wanted to keep it all correct, he has the steel cover as well.
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I visited our host as well😊I was trying to source a manual.
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MommaG wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:52 pm I visited our host as well😊I was trying to source a manual.
MommaG, check this link to a CQ manual.

http://light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/C ... ctions.pdf

http://light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/C ... ogNo27.pdf

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Whitegas Extraordinaire wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:07 am
MommaG wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:52 pm I visited our host as well😊I was trying to source a manual.
MommaG, check this link to a CQ manual.

http://light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/C ... ctions.pdf

http://light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/C ... ogNo27.pdf
Thank you!!! Well wrong genny on it. This one is strait.. errr well was I guess to be more accurate.. Working on the little nut. Its really rusted on.
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MommaG wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:47 am
Whitegas Extraordinaire wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:07 am
MommaG wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:52 pm I visited our host as well😊I was trying to source a manual.
MommaG, check this link to a CQ manual.

http://light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/C ... ctions.pdf

http://light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/C ... ogNo27.pdf
Thank you!!! Well wrong genny on it. This one is strait.. errr well was I guess to be more accurate.. Working on the little nut. Its really rusted on.
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I don’t see so well but believe your burner isn’t so bent as you think! It’s more of a clocking issue of your figure 8 vs the valve and burner.
Your straight T77? generator would run just fine you just need to manually prick it like a Q99 except once it’s clocked properly that banana generator won’t fit until you straighten it.
You’ll see plenty O CQ lamps burners clocked wrong. I’ll follow up with a picture of how it should be.

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Whitegas Extraordinaire wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:53 am
MommaG wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:47 am
Whitegas Extraordinaire wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:07 am
MommaG wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:52 pm I visited our host as well😊I was trying to source a manual.
MommaG, check this link to a CQ manual.

http://light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/C ... ctions.pdf

http://light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/C ... ogNo27.pdf
Thank you!!! Well wrong genny on it. This one is strait.. errr well was I guess to be more accurate.. Working on the little nut. Its really rusted on.
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I don’t see so well but believe your burner isn’t so bent as you think! It’s more of a clocking issue of your figure 8 vs the valve and burner.
Your straight T77? generator would run just fine you just need to manually prick it like a Q99 except once it’s clocked properly that banana generator won’t fit until you straighten it.
You’ll see plenty O CQ lamps burners clocked wrong. I’ll follow up with a picture of how it should be.
Thank you so much. I started cleaning the fount. She is going to be very pretty. The generayor is really my concern. Badly bent. If cocked = its on crooked I thing when it got damaged and bent generator it knocked the thing. So no sitting right. BTW I live your approach ... Do I need to? I try to do as little as i can to have a clean working appliance.
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Whitegas Extraordinaire wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:53 am
MommaG wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:47 am
Whitegas Extraordinaire wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:07 am
MommaG wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:52 pm I visited our host as well😊I was trying to source a manual.
MommaG, check this link to a CQ manual.

http://light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/C ... ctions.pdf

http://light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/C ... ogNo27.pdf
Thank you!!! Well wrong genny on it. This one is strait.. errr well was I guess to be more accurate.. Working on the little nut. Its really rusted on.
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I don’t see so well but believe your burner isn’t so bent as you think! It’s more of a clocking issue of your figure 8 vs the valve and burner.
Your straight T77? generator would run just fine you just need to manually prick it like a Q99 except once it’s clocked properly that banana generator won’t fit until you straighten it.
You’ll see plenty O CQ lamps burners clocked wrong. I’ll follow up with a picture of how it should be.
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That R55 looks like it'll straighten out just fine. The buckled spot toward the air tube is the only thing that concerns me. That's why I test everything outside. If a generator is going to spring a flaming leak from a pin hole, split, or failed packing I'd rather not have it in the house.

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Hubby says no we don't have a clamp like that. I still have the nut soaking to get generator out. The fount is cleaning up so nice. I have been polishing a bit while it soaks
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MommaG wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:44 pm Hubby says no we don't have a clamp like that. I still have the nut soaking to get generator out. The fount is cleaning up so nice. I have been polishing a bit while it soaks
If you haven’t already, consider removing the valve and burner assembly off of the lamp. It’s easier to work on the burner assembly that way.

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Whitegas Extraordinaire wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:57 pm
MommaG wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:44 pm Hubby says no we don't have a clamp like that. I still have the nut soaking to get generator out. The fount is cleaning up so nice. I have been polishing a bit while it soaks
If you haven’t already, consider removing the valve and burner assembly off of the lamp. It’s easier to work on the burner assembly that way.
Honest I haven't figured out how to remove the tube part assembly. The one thing I found out though is the tubes the burner caps screw on to have no threads on them.
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The valve unscrews from the top of the pick-up tube. The long pick-up tube stays in the fount--it's soldered in. Very rarely, the solder joint between the fount bung and the "stem" or pick-up tube will fail as will the solder joint at the bottom of the fount, allowing the looooong pick-up tube to unscrew. If this happens you can use some Loc Tite of other thread locker to keep the tube in place.
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Gunhippie wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:25 pm The valve unscrews from the top of the pick-up tube. The long pick-up tube stays in the fount--it's soldered in. Very rarely, the solder joint between the fount bung and the "stem" or pick-up tube will fail as will the solder joint at the bottom of the fount, allowing the looooong pick-up tube to unscrew. If this happens you can use some Loc Tite of other thread locker to keep the tube in place.
Hey Thanks. The valve = the part the wheel is on correct? The moves? ok i will see how I make out. I was thinking in 1920 making sunday and trying to clean and fix her lamp. This is my Sunday
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Re: Coleman CQ

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Correct, Corey. The valve on these threads over the stem. It also has flats for, IIRC, a 9/16" wrench.
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Re: Coleman CQ

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Gunhippie wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:16 pm Correct, Corey. The valve on these threads over the stem. It also has flats for, IIRC, a 9/16" wrench.
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Sweet ok I think I undertand how to take it off. I am hoping Keiths method of heat quench gets the nut off. You might laugh but I used CLR once to get a bold off. It ate enough rust away that some WD40 and out it came. I will need to re thread the pipes the burner caps screw on to as they are not there. the one cap was pushed on, no unscrew touch and fall off. Its copper.
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Re: Coleman CQ

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Just replace the burner tubes and caps. Anything 220 (or Quick Lite) up through the F should work. I think those would originally have been the longer tubes with the straight-shoulder caps, but I won't tell if you don't!
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SKUs 220-5231 (burner cap) and 101-324 Brass (burner tube). Unfortunately the only air tube in stock is steel (104-322 Steel)...
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Re: Coleman CQ

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Gunhippie wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:44 pm Just replace the burner tubes and caps. Anything 220 (or Quick Lite) up through the F should work. I think those would originally have been the longer tubes with the straight-shoulder caps, but I won't tell if you don't!
I can't thank you enough for all your help. I am so excited to see her running.
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