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I bought this Canadian 249 dated 1962, and I am just trying to figure out where it fits into the 249 timeline. What I can find says that Canadian production of the 249 ended in 1959, and did not pick back up again until 1966, when the 249d and later the 249e were introduced. I do see where English and Australian models continued to be produced past 1959. Any thoughts?

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Okay okay. Canadian magic! Hahah. It doesn’t make any sense does it. I’m curious to see what experts say
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That's probably an export model.

You hardly ever see a 24x lantern with a decal and of the ones I've seen with a decal it's usually 1960s models.

That's a pretty awesome find.
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Newfie wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:45 pm That's probably an export model.

You hardly ever see a 24x lantern with a decal and of the ones I've seen with a decal it's usually 1960s models.

That's a pretty awesome find.
Thanks! I didn’t realize that is was beyond the cut off date for a 249 when I bought it. I just figured it was a late 249, and since I had not seen one with a sticker before, it came home with me.
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it would fit in just fine RIGHT HERE :-)
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I have four 249: 1939, 1946, 1948, and 1951. They're really not easy to find at any age but ones around the age of mine tend to be the most common. Therefore I'd say you've scored a fantastic example especially with that globe which is uncommon on it's own.

I have a 242B with the same decal as your 249. That would have been one of the last 242B.

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Newfie wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:45 pm That's probably an export model.

You hardly ever see a 24x lantern with a decal and of the ones I've seen with a decal it's usually 1960s models.

That's a pretty awesome find.
Thanks! I didn’t realize that is was beyond the cut off date for a 249 when I bought it. I just figured it was a late 249, and since I had not seen one with a sticker before, it came home with me.
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Well all I'm seeing is a late Canadian 249, dated 8/62.
It has the billeted valve, which is correct for the late 249, with the embossed collar and looped wire tip cleaner lever., and decal under the tip cleaner. Those same features of the late 249 were carried over to the 249D and E models, with some other changes, starting in about June 1966. That's it.
My latest Canadian 249 with the same features as yours is dated 6/63, and I have seen one dated 4/65. There are plenty of late ones around, all made in Canada. And the 249 simply morphed into the 249D and E models.

I pretty sure that our Canadian expert, Agostino, once said here that the Canadian 249 was mainly an export model not made for the Canadian or US market.
I can certainly believe that, as lots of them, early and late, turn up down in Australia and New Zealand, and I believe, South Africa.
Also, I travelled right across Canada three years ago, and stopped by at least a hundred antique malls, shops and flea markets, and only came across one beat up Canadian 249. Found a couple of Arc lanterns though, so they were more common there than the Canadian 249. LOL.

It's certainly not an Aussie made 249. They were only made from early 1950 to the end of 1960, with the latest date of 12/60.
All the Aussie ones had 249 Scout stamped on the collar, and the tip cleaning lever was the old style bent wire, and they had lots of other different features as well, including Coleman licencing agreement stamped on the fount.

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Guff wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:56 pm Well all I'm seeing is a late Canadian 249, dated 8/62.
It has the billeted valve, which is correct for the late 249, with the embossed collar and looped wire tip cleaner lever., and decal under the tip cleaner. Those same features of the late 249 were carried over to the 249D and E models, with some other changes, starting in about June 1966. That's it.
My latest Canadian 249 with the same features as yours is dated 6/63, and I have seen one dated 4/65. There are plenty of late ones around, all made in Canada. And the 249 simply morphed into the 249D and E models.

I pretty sure that our Canadian expert, Agostino, once said here that the Canadian 249 was mainly an export model not made for the Canadian or US market.
I can certainly believe that, as lots of them, early and late, turn up down in Australia and New Zealand, and I believe, South Africa.
Also, I travelled right across Canada three years ago, and stopped by at least a hundred antique malls, shops and flea markets, and only came across one beat up Canadian 249. Found a couple of Arc lanterns though, so they were more common there than the Canadian 249. LOL.

It's certainly not an Aussie made 249. They were only made from early 1950 to the end of 1960, with the latest date of 12/60.
All the Aussie ones had 249 Scout stamped on the collar, and the tip cleaning lever was the old style bent wire, and they had lots of other different features as well, including Coleman licencing agreement stamped on the fount.

Keith.
Thanks for the information. Learn new things all the time in this hobby. So many different lanterns over such a long period of time. And there are definitely gaps, and inaccuracies in our best reference resources. Do you see many of these later Canadian models down in Australia?
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Probably made right through to October 1965 at least. I have the years 1963 , 1964 , 1965 and then the 1966 249D
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Coast_to_Coast wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:24 pm ...... Do you see many of these later Canadian models down in Australia?
Yes, I do see them occasionally, but not as many late ones as the ones up to the 1950's.
That could be because Coleman Australia made the 249 Scout down here from 1950 until the end of 1960. So there was no need for Coleman Canada to export their 249 down to Australia to compete against themselves. However when the Australian 249 production ceased, Coleman CA did export their late 249 models as well as their the 249 D and E models down here.

To add to Andrew's late CA 249 dates, I recently found a late Canadian 249 with a date of 1/66, with original box, when trawling through some past posts on the CPL site.
So I think there is sufficient evidence to confidently say that Coleman Canada did in fact continue to make their 249 right up to 1966 without a break in production until the 249 D and later E models., starting in mid 1966.

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Guff wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:12 pm
Coast_to_Coast wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:24 pm ...... Do you see many of these later Canadian models down in Australia?
Yes, I do see them occasionally, but not as many late ones as the ones up to the 1950's.
That could be because Coleman Australia made the 249 Scout down here from 1950 until the end of 1960. So there was no need for Coleman Canada to export their 249 down to Australia to compete against themselves. However when the Australian 249 production ceased, Coleman CA did export their late 249 models as well as their the 249 D and E models down here.

To add to Andrew's late CA 249 dates, I recently found a late Canadian 249 with a date of 1/66, with original box, when trawling through some past posts on the CPL site.
So I think there is sufficient evidence to confidently say that Coleman Canada did in fact continue to make their 249 right up to 1966 without a break in production until the 249 D and later E models., starting in mid 1966.

PS. Your late CA 249 looks very nice and is a very good example of these late ones, showing most of it's features.

Keith.
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