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I bought 3 lanterns via Craigslist a while back and had a friend pick them up since they were almost 3 hours away. I bought them even thought the photos were a little blurry and the pumps all looked weird. But three 220's for 12 bucks --- well couldn't pass them up.

Got them this weekend and what did the weird pumps turned out to be?? Tire valves. I've never seen this before and thought - hmm, might just be a clever idea. But would it work?? I put about 25 lbs of pressure in the tank, sprayed the pump tube with Simple Green and... no bubbles. I then walked out of the garage for about ten min, came back in just as the tire valve popped out of the tube. Not sure if it was the pressure or the liquid lubrication. I think it was the former since the check valve had a slow leak. IF I were to do this I think I would glue the things in place with a fuel resistant epoxy.

Regardless, I will be converting these all back to regular pumps.

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well that is certainly different. I dont undertand why you would want to be sure you had an air compressor or bicycle pump handy and not just use the normal pumps.
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mksmth wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:11 pm well that is certainly different. I dont undertand why you would want to be sure you had an air compressor or bicycle pump handy and not just use the normal pumps.
Yeah, me neither. I can understand it on a L327, but the modern pumps are danged efficient.
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Creative for sure. Maybe an Amish farm had a bunch of them to light at one time? Although they use air, I don't think they use rubber inner tubes.
Low probability, but that set up would negate the positive check valve design. Lantern tips over, fuel enters check valve via snorkel, tire air stem blows out...fireball!
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>>Low probability, but that set up would negate the positive check valve design. Lantern tips over, fuel enters check valve via snorkel, tire air stem blows out...fireball!

That would make a great video!
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Never seen that one before... As was mentioned in another thread, "poor folks have poor ways" 😁
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Tgarner01 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:37 am Never seen that one before... As was mentioned in another thread, "poor folks have poor ways" 😁
"Clueless folks have clueless ways."

There's no fixin' stupid. The fuel cal is where a Schrader valve goes if you have to do it. And NOT one with a rubber stem.
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Gunhippie wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:44 am
Tgarner01 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:37 am Never seen that one before... As was mentioned in another thread, "poor folks have poor ways" 😁
"Clueless folks have clueless ways."

There's no fixin' stupid. The fuel cal is where a Schrader valve goes if you have to do it. And NOT one with a rubber stem.
So don't do this? 😁 I've got lots of tires stems handy 😆
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I've heard of them but never visually seen one. For some reason I'm thinking Amish Folk may have used them but not positive.
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Works OK on a Petromax clone if made a little stronger.
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never seen that before.
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Tire schrader valves in place of the pump?
Sorry, but that has got to be one of the dumbest things I have seen. The lantern already comes with its own built in pressurization device, which stores nicely in the fount except for the knob on the pump. Someone comes along and removes the pump, meaning you have to carry a tire pump with you, or have a compressor handy. Also, they remove the positive air pressure stop that was provided by the air stem in the pump tube.

Like I said; Dumbest thing I've ever seen. This is the same kind of thing done by computer companies who change the GUI for no reason but to implement the new college kid's idea so he keeps his job. Dumb.

Dumb.

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Everything already worked fine!!!!
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Fancy indeed, but it doesn't look right to me. I don't think it's going to work well on an operating lantern.
There might be some other purposes for this? Temporary stuffs such as overpressure tests?😁
Or filling/purging it up with nitrogen for storage, cargo?
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Via the fuel cap with the nut and bolt style valve would be the only way to go.
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Dremwolf - would you kindly give a link, or url, so I can buy some of those valves ? Thanks.
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paulgeorge wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:31 pm Dremwolf - would you kindly give a link, or url, so I can buy some of those valves ? Thanks.
I took that image from Facebook Marketplace. The guy wants $22 each for them. YIKES! I have seen them on here before and am sure they can be sourced elsewhere and cheaper.

Edited to add: I searched for "Coleman schrader valve cap" and a number of results came up. Funny thing is that same photo shows on Ebay for $10.99. States they are "Amish Made" as well. LOL
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paulgeorge wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:31 pm Dremwolf - would you kindly give a link, or url, so I can buy some of those valves ? Thanks.
OCP has them.
https://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product ... at=&page=1
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TwoCanoes wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:23 pm
paulgeorge wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:31 pm Dremwolf - would you kindly give a link, or url, so I can buy some of those valves ? Thanks.
OCP has them.
https://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product ... at=&page=1
Too bad that did not show up in the Google search. I sure would have posted that!
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austin65uri wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:36 am Works OK on a Petromax clone if made a little stronger.
Here's a couple thoughts on why the Schrader in the pump tube is actually a good idea when using some Petromax type lanterns. Many of them are notoriously hard to pump up with the standard issue pump, even with the double o- ring type plunger. The Petro has no pump stem needle valve shutoff to be affected, and by putting the Schrader on the pump, you leave the fuel cap as is with the gauge and pressure relief screw valve. :)
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austin65uri wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:26 pm
austin65uri wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:36 am Works OK on a Petromax clone if made a little stronger.
Here's a couple thoughts on why the Schrader in the pump tube is actually a good idea when using some Petromax type lanterns. Many of them are notoriously hard to pump up with the standard issue pump, even with the double o- ring type plunger. The Petro has no pump stem needle valve shutoff to be affected, and by putting the Schrader on the pump, you leave the fuel cap as is with the gauge and pressure relief screw valve. :)
Bill I like this idea. I've actually broke mantles pumping up the Aida with it's crappy pump. I need to get back on that project... It's been in timeout for a few months 😁
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Any Aida fols who need a tire valve? I got three now and I’m not gonna use em in a Coleman or any other lantern. If you do use them in a Aida, make sure you glue them in real good.

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Schrader valve goes on the filler cap, at least on Coleman style lanterns and lamps.

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It's simple, it works, and it retains the function of the built-in pump and positive shut-off. For kero, sure, put it where the pump was. Those have NRVs instead of CVs. Replace your pips!
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Now those pumps look country 👍🏻👍🏻
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I bought them in Washington NC. A small town on the Pamlico River in eastern NC.

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