247 Scout - 6 / 48 - Generator

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247 Scout - 6 / 48 - Generator

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Coleman 247 Scout - 6 / 1948

Hey y’all, making an attempt to bring this 247 Scout back from the inoperable.

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With respect to the generator, it’s going to need a good clean. Inside appears to be an asbestos type packing?

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Just wondering the best way to approach this? I have the gas jet and a few more bits in a vinegar bath, should I do the same with the generator or would the heat / quench method be better for this scenario? Or do I do nothing at all?

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I dont remember my 247 kero having packing in the generator?
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"Just wondering the best way to approach this? I have the gas jet and a few more bits in a vinegar bath, should I do the same with the generator or would the heat / quench method be better for this scenario? Or do I do nothing at all?"

Have you tried squirting carb cleaner or similar in the generator then trying to pick/pull it out the internals with a dental pick or similar?
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I was wondering the exact same thing. I scored a few 242b’s over the weekend and the generators have the same issue. I guess putting carb cleaner inside will soften up the packing. I need to do that to rejuvenate a pair of them!

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zoomkat wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:51 am "Just wondering the best way to approach this? I have the gas jet and a few more bits in a vinegar bath, should I do the same with the generator or would the heat / quench method be better for this scenario? Or do I do nothing at all?"

Have you tried squirting carb cleaner or similar in the generator then trying to pick/pull it out the internals with a dental pick or similar?
I have, not much luck as its jammed in there pretty good.
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"I have, not much luck as its jammed in there pretty good."

For the small stuff, I make small picks out of various sizes of safety pins (thicker the better) like below (2"). If you can catch and pull out the pricker rod first, that might keep it safe when pulling the coil out.
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What is your plan after you get the asbestos out??
What gas tip is on the generator??
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zoomkat wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:30 am "I have, not much luck as its jammed in there pretty good."

For the small stuff, I make small picks out of various sizes of safety pins (thicker the better) like below (2"). If you can catch and pull out the pricker rod first, that might keep it safe when pulling the coil out.
Did you look at the OP pics of the generator???
He is showing a generator that the pricker is out of, and is an early asbestos type with out a spring.
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WYSIWYG wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:46 am What is your plan after you get the asbestos out??
What gas tip is on the generator??
My plan was to clean up the generator and try to salvage it for future use. I was hoping to get some advice on how to move forward. It hurts my feelings none to leave it in place and hope for the best, maybe that’s what I’ll do and see how things unfold.

As for the gas tip, it is the same as another 247 that I just finished cleaning up.

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If you need to remove the fiber filler, some heat/quench cycles should free it up. Since you already have the gas tip removed, you can work at pushing it out from tip to stern.

On the gas tip question above, have you confirmed that it is either for kerosene or gasoline? The pic of your generator's tail end suggests that it could possibly be a gas(oline) generator since it has the fiber filler. Normally a kerosene generator would instead have a heavy gauge metal coil inside of it.
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Brian, there is a number of a letter stamped on the side of the gas jet. It will tell us what it's for.
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+1 R.R.’s post. I don’t have a 247 to compare with a 242, but it looks like a PO set it up with a 242/200 generator to run CF.
Remember, the heat/quench method is your friend when dissembling a old crusty generator.

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WYSIWYG wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:13 pm Brian, there is a number of a letter stamped on the side of the gas jet. It will tell us what it's for.
Here you go…

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Brian, I don’t have the access to the generator chart at the moment, but I think that is the number for 242 or 200 lanterns. Somebody will come along and hopefully either confirm it’s for 242 or 200 or tell you what generator it fits.
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Ironically I purchased a 200 last month with a Kerosene generator so I guess I’ll make the switch! I understand it’s the jet and the internals that make the difference?


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“6” stamped in the gas tip it’s for gasoline lanterns like 200/242

“3” stamped in gas tip it’s for old TK66 generator

“TD” stamped in the gas tip it’s for the newer 201 lanterns

Fortech1977 wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:42 am Ironically I purchased a 200 last month with a Kerosene generator so I guess I’ll make the switch! I understand it’s the jet and the internals that make the difference?
Jet, needle and the coil spring.
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Yea, gas(oline) tip there. You can still use it if you like—it’ll be fine if you’re just running CF. Still need to preheat though.
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Identifying the gas tip seems straightforward utilizing the stamp, how would one determine if the needle correctly corresponds with the tip?
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BOOYAH! I guess I am learning a little bit, I was the 1st one to post that it wasnt a kerosene generator! :shock: :mrgreen:
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