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I have 3 226 lanterns and one is missing the heat shield so when this kit popped up BIN for very cheap I jumped on it. The shield looks identical to the ones on the 226’s, so my question is about the generator that came with it. If I remember correctly one of these gens is difficult to find. Maybe this one?,but that you can use the newer version generators on it? Does that sound correct? So can you use a 222(this generator) on the newer 226 lanterns? Thanks!!
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Yessir, they're all interchangable. When installing the newer 226+ gen on a 222 you have to widen the gen slot on the original heat shield. That kit seems to take care of that with the new shield with the kit.
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You struck gold. Beware, if you use that generator, you just might not need to pump up the lantern every 20 minutes. :)
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Tgarner01 wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:15 am Yessir, they're all interchangable. When installing the newer 226+ gen on a 222 you have to widen the gen slot on the original heat shield. That kit seems to take care of that with the new shield with the kit.
Thanks Toby! I knew that there was some kind of difference but couldn’t remember what it was. So with the logic of your message above I am still going to have to widen this heat shield to fit on my 226 assuming I use the original fat 226 gen and save this one for a backup?
JimL wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:25 am You struck gold. Beware, if you use that generator, you just might not need to pump up the lantern every 20 minutes. :)
Thanks Jim! I was shocked at how cheap this was and with free shipping. As far as I know all of my gens are good so I will probably save this one and just expect a elbow replacement at some point in the future lol.
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dang, those are worth a kidney and a liver these days. Congrats in your find!
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Can you list the part number for us? I can read it in the photo. I think it is in the upper right corner. Or could be on the back near a barcode.
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Is that the fat generator or the slim one?? Hard to see in the package. Gonna have to grab my 226 and 222 and look now...
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Great score. I have found a few of the carded generators, but I have not seen that kit. I'd actually be tempted to keep it as is due to the scarcity of the kit itself. If all you need is the generator for your lantern and are considering opening the package for just the generator, I'd be interested in trading you a NOS, unopened 222 carded generator for that one. I can throw in some goodies to make it worth your wild. No pressure, just a consideration.
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Phredd wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:40 pm Can you list the part number for us? I can read it in the photo. I think it is in the upper right corner. Or could be on the back near a barcode.
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I don’t see a”part#” listed directly but I see these numbers. Let me know if the pics don’t work for you.



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Majicwrench wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:08 pm Is that the fat generator or the slim one?? Hard to see in the package. Gonna have to grab my 226 and 222 and look now...
The only mini’s I have are the 226s. Holding the package up to my lantern the gen in this packet appears to be the slimmer one. I assume that 226 is dual fuel and this one is intended for camp fuel only?
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Rfieldbuilds wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:05 pm Great score. I have found a few of the carded generators, but I have not seen that kit. I'd actually be tempted to keep it as is due to the scarcity of the kit itself. If all you need is the generator for your lantern and are considering opening the package for just the generator, I'd be interested in trading you a NOS, unopened 222 carded generator for that one. I can throw in some goodies to make it worth your wild. No pressure, just a consideration.
Randy, actually the part I was initially interested in is the heat shield as one of my lanterns was missing it when I bought it. One of my reason for starting this thread was me wondering if I should even open this package “kit” just for the shield. I doubt many of these lanterns have become parts lanterns so finding a heat shield may be difficult. I may just sit on it unopened and look for another shield and if that falls through just go from there. If I need to run the lantern I can just borrow one from another 226 as I doubt I would have a need to run all 3 at the same time. I just like to have things complete.
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Pancholoco1911 wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:11 am dang, those are worth a kidney and a liver these days. Congrats in your find!

Thanks Pancho! I didn’t realize they were rare at the time. I just needed a heat shield and couldn’t pass at the price with free shipping.
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25_502s wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:04 pm
Pancholoco1911 wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:11 am dang, those are worth a kidney and a liver these days. Congrats in your find!

Thanks Pancho! I didn’t realize they were rare at the time. I just needed a heat shield and couldn’t pass at the price with free shipping.
222 heat shields in 226 and 229 you have to file a bigger diameter the generator slot. 222 generators are skinny compared to 226&229
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Does the generator in that kit have a dimple about a half inch or so from the flared end? If so, it is the 226 generator and not the 222. That and the 222 generators taper down in size just a bit above the nut. I doubt that they would have bothered including a new heat shield if it is a 222 generator.
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BusyB wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:22 pm Does the generator in that kit have a dimple about a half inch or so from the flared end? If so, it is the 226 generator and not the 222. That and the 222 generators taper down in size just a bit above the nut. I doubt that they would have bothered including a new heat shield if it is a 222 generator.
I don’t see any dimple on the gen but it’s labeled for a 222. The package says peak1 on it and don’t believe the 226s and 229s were designated as part of the peak lineup.


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Jason,

My 229 is referenced as a Peak 1 on the box. I didn't pull the lantern itself out of the box. This lantern annoys me so with the seemingly incessant pumping required that I don't even want to look at it.

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I doubt there's any mistaking the 222 gen for a 226 or 229 regardless of a dimple. The 222 is the desirable generator with the smaller tip orifice, allowing the lantern to run more than maybe 20 minutes between pumpings. I believe Coleman discontinued the 222 generator long before they discontinued the 226 and 229 generators.
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JimL wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:38 am Jason,

My 229 is referenced as a Peak 1 on the box. I didn't pull the lantern itself out of the box…..
Thanks Jim! After you posted this I went and checked my 226 box to make sure and didn’t see any reference to peak. I guess only the 226 wasn’t part of the peak lineup.

I guess one could put a 226 tip on a 222 gen to lower the frequency of pumping??
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>>I guess one could put a 226 tip on a 222 gen to lower the frequency of pumping??

The 222 has the smaller orifice so that's what you'd want to use.
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If you put the 226 tip on, you will increase the frequency of pumping! :mrgreen:
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"I guess one could put a 226 tip on a 222 gen to lower the frequency of pumping??"

Well, I don't have one of these lanterns, but if the pricker rod is integrated with the fuel control valve, you should be able to simply throttle the 226 lantern back to a 222 output just using the fuel control valve to slowly insert the pricker wire in the generator orifice. Best of both lanterns in one.
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A member a couple months ago put a 222 generator on his 226/229 and said it didn't improve it.

THe 226/229 has an oring on top of the fa setup (222 does not), in theory if that o-ring wasn't making a good seal, you would leak air into the fa system. That's my theory and I'm stickin to it :)
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JimL wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:16 am >>I guess one could put a 226 tip on a 222 gen to lower the frequency of pumping??

The 222 has the smaller orifice so that's what you'd want to use.
outlawmws wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:36 am If you put the 226 tip on, you will increase the frequency of pumping! :mrgreen:
Oops thanks!! That’s what I meant………honest…lol
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zoomkat wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:45 am "I guess one could put a 226 tip on a 222 gen to lower the frequency of pumping??"

Well, I don't have one of these lanterns, but if the pricker rod is integrated with the fuel control valve, you should be able to simply throttle the 226 lantern back to a 222 output just using the fuel control valve to slowly insert the pricker wire in the generator orifice. Best of both lanterns in one.
Majicwrench wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:56 am A member a couple months ago put a 222 generator on his 226/229 and said it didn't improve it.

THe 226/229 has an oring on top of the fa setup (222 does not), in theory if that o-ring wasn't making a good seal, you would leak air into the fa system. That's my theory and I'm stickin to it :)
I have not messed with them enough to get bothered by the need to constantly pump them nor have I tried to throttle one down but it sounds like good info to consider.
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I don't find mine so bright that I would consider throttling it down. It isn't a dim lantern, just an annoying one. :)
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Just looked at my 222B, has a much skinnier generator that the one in package. And dug out a 222 Canadian generator in package, it too is skinny. My 226 has a generator that looks like the one in the OP's package.

Busy B has a good point, why would they include a new heat shield, unless it was to fit the fatter, 226 style generator.

All that said, it still could have the smaller tip I suppose!
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Tips stamped "4" are the 222 (.005) , if no stamp, its 226/229 (.006)

In area its 30% bigger, so yes, it will use up fuel/pressure 30% faster.
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Majicwrench wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:56 am Just looked at my 222B, has a much skinnier generator that the one in package. And dug out a 222 Canadian generator in package, it too is skinny. My 226 has a generator that looks like the one in the OP's package.

Busy B has a good point, why would they include a new heat shield, unless it was to fit the fatter, 226 style generator.

All that said, it still could have the smaller tip I suppose!
Hmm, interesting! I don’t have a a 222 lantern or a known original 222 gen but sidexside with a 226 generator they do look the same. I now see what busy b was saying. This is probably a replacement kit in substitution for the discontinued 222 gen.

I figured the difference was slight but I would like to see a pic of a 222 generator if someone has one handy.



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BusyB wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:22 pm Does the generator in that kit have a dimple about a half inch or so from the flared end? If so, it is the 226 generator and not the 222. That and the 222 generators taper down in size just a bit above the nut. I doubt that they would have bothered including a new heat shield if it is a 222 generator.
I now think you are correct in that this is a replacement kit for the discontinued 222 generator. Maybe this kit came out before the 229 and 226 lanterns even came out but I’m not positive. I see no date on the package.
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One way or the other I think I will leave this kit alone since it doesn’t seem to be real common and just try and find a separate heat shield.
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25_502s wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:13 amI figured the difference was slight but I would like to see a pic of a 222 generator if someone has one handy.
I thought I had a picture of both types of generator side by side and disassembled, can't seem to find it at the moment. If someone doesn't beat me to posting it, I'll try and either find that picture and post it or make a new one tomorrow evening.
Majicwrench wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:56 am THe 226/229 has an oring on top of the fa setup (222 does not), in theory if that o-ring wasn't making a good seal, you would leak air into the fa system. That's my theory and I'm stickin to it :)
I've had apart 222, 222A, 222B, 226, and 229 lanterns recently, all of them had an o-ring in that location. That is not to say that all of them do, just saying that at least some of them do.
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Looks like majicwrench beat me to it. The taper on that one is quite a bit more abrupt than I've usually seen.
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Yeah, Keith’s pic pretty much ends the debate. No comparison among the 2 gens. I guess when Coleman first discontinued the 222 generator they offered this replacement kit for awhile and then probably just offered the generator by itself after that
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Busy B that's interesting about the Oring, I don't think the diagram shows a 222 having an oring there. Might have to look again.
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I'll have to take note of the dates on be mine, I wonder if maybe it could have something to do with when they were made or which factory they were made in. Or, maybe mine have been in for service at some point and the o-rings were added then? I'll have to dig through my manuals and parts diagrams, I'm curious to see if any of them show that o-ring.
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I saw a diagram for a 222 and a diagram for a 226 or 229 a couple months ago here on CCF, and it clearly showed no oring on 222, and oring on the later model.
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The data below is from Matt Reid’s generator list.

Model #. Tip. Imprint. Orifice Size. Barrel diameter

222A-2991 Early. T 0.0055 0.250
222A-2991 Late. T 0.0055 0.310
226-2991. None. 0.006. 0.310

Note I have a couple 226-2991 NOS generators. All are 0.310 diameter.

So according to this diameter may not a definitive indicator as there may be some Late 222 versions out there.
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I've seen other charts that show the 222NL, 222A and 222B all at .005.

And I have seen charts that show A and B at .0055.

Guess Jason will have to let us know if he ever opens the package!
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I have 2 NOS 226-2991 gens and they appear to have a T on the gas tip. I can’t see a # on the kit generator so it must be facing the cardboard. I did find this statement about the heat shield on the kit package.
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Correction it’s a T not a 7.

So if my NOS 226-2991 has a T on it did they go back to the smaller tip??
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This NOS 226-2991 clearly has a T on it so what size does that make it?
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I think all the 226 gets are .310 in dia and the orifice is 006.
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Majicwrench wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:33 pm I've seen other charts that show the 222NL, 222A and 222B all at .005.

And I have seen charts that show A and B at .0055.

Guess Jason will have to let us know if he ever opens the package!
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Re: Mini lantern 222 gen question.

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Matt's list shows both .005 (4 - 222 ) and .0055 (T - 222; & F, - butane) as well as a T1 (000575 - butane)
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Re: Mini lantern 222 gen question.

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I just checked all of my spare 226 and 229 generators, 17 of them, they all have a "T" on the tip. Part/kit numbers are 229-5811 (x3), 226-2991 (x5), 3000005088 (x8), and a used one that I pulled out of a 222B that the other little lanterns are cannibalizing. I couldn't find my lone spare 222 generator. I'm assuming that all of the 3000005088's are the same, I only opened one of them and took the plastic cap off, they were all purchased together.

So, if the "T" represents a 0.0055 tip size, and the 222 generators had a 0.0055 tip size, doesn't that kinda shoot a few holes in the theory that tip size is the reason for the runtime differences between pumpings?
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Re: Mini lantern 222 gen question.

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Its still a 17% difference in area, therefor fuel/pressure consumption.
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Re: Mini lantern 222 gen question.

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Actually, I was looking at post #37 when I wrote that. But after reading what you posted about the "4" .005 tip size, I agree.

One of these days I'd like to do a runtime comparison with a bunch of these, I guess I need to pull all the generators and take note of the tip sizes/markings, etc.
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