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Help date 228B possibly?

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Hey guys I was curious if more sets of eyes could help with identifying.

I see the 7 on the right side but nothing on the right, I can tell it's a brass fount from around the rim.
And the stamp "the Coleman stove and lamp co."
We're 1928-1945
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The fount is 1935-41. Will need more features to get you closer, or look through this guide below.

https://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/ ... =6&t=38498
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I’m seeing July of 37. 7-7
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Whitegas Extraordinaire wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:01 pm I’m seeing July of 37. 7-7
I thought that too, but the "7" on the left side I think is the "T" for "The sunshine of the night"
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ESFdad wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:10 pm
Whitegas Extraordinaire wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:01 pm I’m seeing July of 37. 7-7
I thought that too, but the "7" on the left side I think is the "T" for "The sunshine of the night"
You are correct. My apologies
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Looks to be all original except the fount cap, I found it at a antique store and got it for $55

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I think it's 1935
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With the roll seam collar you can narrow it down a bit further to 35-38.
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It really looks like 7 and 7. The one to the left is stamped odd. Is there a logo on the side of the fount?
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When zooming in the photo, I think I see an 8 or maybe a 6. You can do the old trick of taking a piece of paper, putting it over the bottom plate near where the number could be, and rubbing it with a pencil....the stamp might show up clearer.
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If you're planning on, or ever gonna do a teardown, and remove the valve from the fount, you might be able to read the reverse stamping on the left digit, if the inside of the fount is in decent enough shape. ;)
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Great score with correct globe. '35 to '38.
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critmass_34 wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:24 pm Great score with correct globe. '35 to '38.
Thanks! The only issue is 3 of the 4 frame posts have been separated from the bottom of the frame so I have to figure out how to fix them
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ESFdad wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:35 pm
critmass_34 wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:24 pm Great score with correct globe. '35 to '38.
Thanks! The only issue is 3 of the 4 frame posts have been separated from the bottom of the frame so I have to figure out how to fix them
If you know anybody that does bodywork, ask if they have a spot welder and could do the work for a six pack. Others have drilled small holes and peened in small brass pins.
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Nuce light up. The 220/228B's are great lanterns.
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RR_RES wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:09 am When zooming in the photo, I think I see an 8 or maybe a 6. You can do the old trick of taking a piece of paper, putting it over the bottom plate near where the number could be, and rubbing it with a pencil....the stamp might show up clearer.
I see this too.
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Thanks for all the input guys! I'll try the paper and pencil method to see if I can get a for sure number.

Currently it's all tore down and parts are on the way from old Coleman parts.
The graphite packing on the valve is leaking when under pressure, so it's getting a good cleaning and polish while it's apart.

I've heard lots of back and forth and Input on cleaning out the fount, do any of you have input on the best method?
I looked inside and it has a couple dime size spots of either rust or varnish...
I've heard vinegar works but I've seen debates on the length of time to leave it sitting inside the fount, and I've also heard citric acid works but once again, the length of time is debatable

Thanks in advance
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ESFdad wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:22 pm I looked inside ...
Any chance you can make out the backside of the date stamp? :P
ESFdad wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:22 pm I've heard vinegar works ...
This is one reason I invested in Evaporust. While vinegar will work, as you said, there *is* a time limit you can keep vinegar in it. Its quite awhile, before I think you would have to worry about it tho... Think, like a *week* or more. Couple to even a few days shouldnt be too long, i would think, unless youre already close to having pin holes... Which brings me to one reason i prefer Evaporust. It only chelates the rust, not any good metal. So basically eats ONLY the rust, & then stops working, it basically has no effect on "clean" steel, so you dont have to worry as much about leaving in too long. Also, its non-acidic, so you just rinse it out with water, then swish & dump some denatrued alcohol to catch the last of the moisture, where as with vinegar, you gotta worry about mixing enough baking soda with the rinse, to decativate the vinegar.
Also, the Evaporust is also re-usable as well, & will store a bit longer than recycling the vinegar. I also use Evaporust instead of vinegar on ALL my steel parts, & especially those where brass parts are attached, as it doesnt discolor good, bare steel like vinegar, 7 it wont affect the brass at all.
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Stone_Blue wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:09 pm
ESFdad wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:22 pm I looked inside ...
Any chance you can make out the backside of the date stamp? :P
ESFdad wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:22 pm I've heard vinegar works ...
This is one reason I invested in Evaporust. While vinegar will work, as you said, there *is* a time limit you can keep vinegar in it. Its quite awhile, before I think you would have to worry about it tho... Think, like a *week* or more. Couple to even a few days shouldnt be too long, i would think, unless youre already close to having pin holes... Which brings me to one reason i prefer Evaporust. It only chelates the rust, not any good metal. So basically eats ONLY the rust, & then stops working, it basically has no effect on "clean" steel, so you dont have to worry as much about leaving in too long. Also, its non-acidic, so you just rinse it out with water, then swish & dump some denatrued alcohol to catch the last of the moisture, where as with vinegar, you gotta worry about mixing enough baking soda with the rinse, to decativate the vinegar.
Also, the Evaporust is also re-usable as well, & will store a bit longer than recycling the vinegar. I also use Evaporust instead of vinegar on ALL my steel parts, & especially those where brass parts are attached, as it doesnt discolor good, bare steel like vinegar, 7 it wont affect the brass at all.
Thanks for the response, Stone.

I tried looking inside the fount for the digit and unfortunately, no luck

I'll look into the evaporust for sure. Thank you!
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I just tried out the pencil method and it looks to me like a 6 like RR & lynn suggested

So that would mean July of '36 correct?



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That does look like a 6.. Yup, you got it July '36.
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ESFdad wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:22 pm Thanks for all the input guys! I'll try the paper and pencil method to see if I can get a for sure number.

Currently it's all tore down and parts are on the way from old Coleman parts.
The graphite packing on the valve is leaking when under pressure, so it's getting a good cleaning and polish while it's apart.

I've heard lots of back and forth and Input on cleaning out the fount, do any of you have input on the best method?
I looked inside and it has a couple dime size spots of either rust or varnish...
I've heard vinegar works but I've seen debates on the length of time to leave it sitting inside the fount, and I've also heard citric acid works but once again, the length of time is debatable

Thanks in advance
Research lye and PPE, that is my go-to for nickel plated founts.
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Looks like a 6 to me. July '36. That jives with Toby's info on the roll seam collar between '35 and '38.

Evaporust will eat the rust inside the fount. Lye will eat any organics/fuel residue inside the fount, and will clean up that nickel on the outside. Do some research before using lye... it's not forgiving like Evaporust.
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