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i think there were lots of UPDATED parts to the model R as time went on , we have to remember this is early in colemans history . like things wer'nt perfected yet ? not just performance wise but in easier / simpler production methods . like the later fuel cap using a much easier/simpler to use hand pump ect. . in all coleman models i like to look for these upgrades as time went on .

you might also notice there is a small hole in the base of the mixing chamber here , not exactly sure what its for ? but it shoots a small spot of of the heated gas to one of the mantles , you can see it here in Roland's mixing chamber . kinda makes it look like you have hole in the mantle when burning .

it may just be to empty a flooded mixing chamber ? i think that pretty likely ???

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fired one up again last night , after it was warmed up n burning good , i pumped it up some more and and it got very BRIGHT !!!



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just sorta challenging myself i made a repo model R air tube a couple days ago , as this one had a hole drilled thru it for an electrocution job . came out pretty good , wish i had like one more thread at the one end but i think it would work as is , just playing around as i dont NEED this piece , its just an extra part i have .

not seen in the photo is the air reducer inside the tube , its just a press fit . i was able to get it out with a few taps of the hammer on a rod . when they drilled the hole they also drilled thru the reducer , but in its new place that wont effect the performance as its the inner diameter that is reduced . just tapped it back into the new tube after a little cleanup with a hand file . im pretty amateurish with my metal working skills .

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Steve, your work on the repro air tube looks just grand! Good job, from where I sit.
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Sure looks good to me Steve!
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more test firing and had a couple of set backs last night :-( fired up the lamp with the repo gas tip last night , and even after pumping the dickens out of it it wasent that bright . so i adjust the air intake till it was closed and back to fully open and it didnt make a whole lot of difference , but when i would open n close the valve shaft i saw there was one " just right " spot it got pretty bright , open further it got dim , closed to much it got dim ......Hmmmmmm thinking maybe i need to clean the valve one more time , things just didnt really make sense , so i go to shut it down and the valve wheel just kept spinning .

wholy COW did i just strip the valve or valve shaft ????

No , i get inside the house where i had better lighting and figured out the valve wheel i had J-B welded back on the shaft had let go when i closed the valve . the wheel is spinning on the shaft . this valve n valve wheel are above the burner and really really get hot when lit . im thinking JB weld doesn't like that much heat and may have to go back to a Quick lite replacment valve wheel here . or come up with some other glue idea .... i thought JB weld would have held , now in considering that CRAZY stuff :-)

il give the valve another cleaning and prick the tip a few times still trying to get this one to run as bright as the other , this is just part of the "Trial n error" period , il keep at it till i get it right !!!!
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tried to get this today but only came in second place . its been converted to quick lite , but i saw a few parts on it i wanted . its cool on its own as this is what folks did with em back in the day . wish i had bid a little more ...

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I was at work when it ended, so I didn't even mess with it. Seeing what others find, and I have found, I am more and more inclined to just hunt and hope in the wild than resort to ebay.
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i had a little set back with one of the R's , one just wasent as bright as the other . swapped gas tips proved it was something with the tip , so i took it off the lamp found an old used (bad idea ) 220 style generator pricker and pricked the tip , it didnt go all the way thru to see the wire sticking out the other end so i pushed a little harder . when i pulled it back out the wire was gone and stuck in the orafice , i tried all kinds of things trying to get that wire out but nothing worked .
i wanted to scream and cry [sAng_scream][sSa_cry4] it was a very very bad day .

i talked to Dean to see if he can fix it , he says he will give it a try and so i sent it off to Idaho ....... about a week later i get it back with a NEW orifice in it :-) to confirm the tip was clear i used BRAND new .0006 wire to prick the tip , i pulled about a 1 foot section thru the tip just to be sure . put the lamp back together and BAM we have light again . i then pumped it up quite a bit more and it just got brighter n brighter as i pumped . so i am now confident both lamps are in good working order . i just cant thank Dean enough !!!! what an asset to the CCF , OCP and our hobby . without him i would still be screaming and crying over that mishap . he is a master machinist !!!

still looking for a better shade holder for this one but at least its working again :-)

went to Graingers earlier that day and grabbed one of there 4000 page catalogs .

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its been a frustrating 24 hours here , CCF member Glenn "Gasprescue " pointed me to a BIN possible model R lamp shade on the bay yesterday , i sent 3 requests for dimensions yesterday with no posative size sent back , so once again this morning i ask , and i finally heard back what i was hoping for so i did the buy it now just a few seconds ago ...... here it is ..... il be on pins n needles for a wile here ........thanks BIG TIME Glenn !!!

the members here are so help-full .........

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4 7/8 inch across the top lip and 10 inch bottom . has to be the 4 7/8 inch to fit inside the 5 inch shade holder .
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Ah, quite [sSig_welcome4] Steve! I will not forget when you sent me the KERO stencil that you made me after finding that machine some 8 ? years ago
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anticipation mounting , tracking shows out for today's delivery :-) but nervous as heck too . Hey Uh Patty can run to the store for a wile :-) i hate explaining myself when another Coleman package arrives , AGAIN !!!

to keep the shade safe i had the seller ship the shade in a seperate box , so there's are gona be two big boxes showing up . she isnt very understanding since she lost her job a couple months ago .
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its here and still in one piece :-) this newest one is like half the weight of the first one but the exact same dimensions and fits perfectly , im so happy !!!

as you may know the first shade i accidentally damaged by having those shade holder set screws too snugg , after a warm up things expanded and i heard a TINK , a portion of the lip broke off ... so now my best model R is complete and all original with a perfect shade hanging off it again ....... still need a shade holder for number 2 now , i do have a good lead on one but have to be patient ...... happy day here !!!


Cant Thank Glenn enough for the heads up !!!
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Gees, should this post be moved to Tech Assist, or put in Collections? What do you want it in Steve?

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maybe we should get rid of the "look what the cat drug in " part too . and just call it " Coleman Model R Reading lamp info " ? either catagory is fine with me . i dont think where it is now in Just Bull its open for the public to see ? just us members . im still not done with this thread and like to add new info as time goes on .
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Hey Glenn , this was the very first stencil i made with that machine :-)

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I'm happy that you got it, Steve!

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Awesome Steve. Happy for you

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Happy Day here , a model R lamp shade holder has been located by OCP Cigar Mike ......so excited to see this OTHER model R coming together ...... cant wait for it to arrive ....... BIG Thanks Mike !!!

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More awesome news Steve, congratulations
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Happy Day , this just came in today , its not installed yet but looky there !!! that is the model R lamp shade holder i been waiting for to finish up #2 model R lamp here :-) il post it pic of it once its installed , been busy as can be today .. bottom right corner .

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have a look at this shade holder , i have never seen anything as stress cracked as this piece , i like looking at it now that i have a replacment :-) its just such a mystery how that one looks like this and the other two look fine ..... BUT its an unmarked shade holder , wile the two nicer ones and a Pats pending stamped into them , i do think there is a third version of this shade holder with even more stamping on it .... not sure of the order they were produced



shure looks a lot better now !!! i havent mounted the shade on it yet as im missing one of the three screws that holds the shade secure , i have a screw that kinda fits but it a sloppy fit , so il go down to ace hardware tomorrow and hope i can find something close ..... its really coming together fast now ...

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You are rocking on those model R's...I bet that one holder was made by AGM...ha
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Oh yeah, that shade holder is in great shape Steve. Way to go.
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i havent been to Ace yet but i see a light fixture on the back porch here , you know the kind that uses the 3 screws to hold the globe/jar over the light bulb , well its a perfect fit n thread match , still need to go to ace and get a screw for the Patio light now :-)
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Ace didnt have the knurled lamp screws in 6/32 - 1/2 inch long , all they had were 8/32's ....but i found these on ebay for pretty cheap . it apears most early lamps used the 6/32 but modern lamps all use the 8/32 size . here is what i have coming , i only need one but they sell em in sets of 3 . the original model R screws are nickel plated but look very similar .

they call em knurled lamp screws .
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good to know I think thats the size I need for my Bright light. Well I just checked ya #6 but there finer like by 40 I may have to make them.
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could be I couldn't tell if it is a #6 or #5 I don't have a #5 tap to check so that is worth a shot thanks.
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got the new shade holder screws yesterday .

So , here is where im at now , 2 complete and working model R's , left n right .

the one in the center is still a project , Kameron / oleageye there is your smoke bell on this one , Thanks again !!! . dont know if or when il find enough parts to complete that one too but a guy can hope :-) ...... lots of CCF folks helped make these happen ....cant thank you guys enough !!!

these are the pinnacle of my lamp collection !!!

barely got this picture taken and i could hear the next round of rain coming .

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Tim , do you still have this hand pump ? i need one badly :-)
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Steve, I still have that pump and really would like to hang on to it for the day that I also have a Reading Lamp. I did see a pump the other day that looks like it might work for you if you would be interested.





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thanks , forgot you had n R Tim or just didnt know , i see several on the bay that i think might work as well , one is AGM for sure , but im on the hunt for a coleman screw in pump like yours if you ever find another .

wile on the hunt i saw these and couldnt help my self and hit the button , but thats not what i was looking for , hardly ever actually find what im looking for LOL

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I've got a pump with that little threaded end, Ill take a look at it tonight.
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A plain old Coleman pump will work just fine. I use one all the time with my Model R.
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well, i took a chance n purchased this off the bay for a reasonable price ....it screws perfectly into one of my model R fuel cap air stems here , the other the threads are too worn or stripped to hold it good ..buts its a super nice fit on the other , never noticed those threads were bad before .. well worth the risk i think ......Terry's site shows it might be an AGM pump ??? its big like the HGP size . nice nickel too its gona clean up real nice , its stamped "pat app for " on the nozle end ... i have to run to a job but il show another pic later with it screwed in . this is just the ebay pic .

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I found the same pump on the way home from the convention this summer, but it has a different tip on it. Mine has no nickel so I polished the brassand am repainting the handle.

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OK , im back , here is a pic of it screwed into the model R fuel cap , it fits just perfectly .... it also comes with a little adapter so i can also fill tires i think , i havent tried that part yet but it sure pumps air thru the fuel cap nicely ..... im still looking for a coleman screw in pump but this will hold me over till that time comes ...... i stole this pump BIN 8 bucks pluss shipping :-) :-) :-) this looks just like it did when it arrived i havent even cleaned it yet , its in super nice shape !!! they called it a vintage sports ball pump :-)

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Both Tim's agm pump and my most recent one are both shown here on Terry's site , but i find the info about my style to be maybe wrong as it is threaded on the end but could also be used with a hose atachment ...

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I'm glad you found that pump. Now I don't feel so guilty keeping mine! [smile]
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please dont feel any guilt Tim , i didnt know you found yourself an R and needed one too . lets see your R now ?
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Steve:

I don't have one yet but hope to find one before too long at a price I can afford. I had to pass on the one at the convention as it was too steep for me after I had already bought about all I could stand. I just don't want to give up hope so soon, because as soon as I let the pump go I will find the lamp and need it. You know how that goes!
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Oh , well if you want an R then send me the pump that will speed things up LOL i just fun'n ya Tim :-)
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