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I have used citric, electrolysis, naval jelly for frame cleaning (after a good scrub with dawn).

I have read that some use toilet bowl cleaner as well. Any advantages? Any particular brand?

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Toilet bowl cleaner is just lye. A lot of rr collectors fill five gallon buckets with it for de rusting.
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I know a lot of the toilet bowl cleaners like The Works have changed their formulas. Best to find straight lye. Handle with caution. Gloves and glasses.
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I don't understand why folks recommend caustic chemicals that will burn the skin on contact. I prefer to stick with the relatively harmless ones such as citric. Heat it up if you want it to work faster. So what if it takes an extra few minutes?


>>Toilet bowl cleaner is just lye.

What toilet bowl cleaner contains lye? Just picking The Works as an example toilet bowl cleaner, I found this: "The Works toilet bowl cleaner include hydrochloric acid, chlorine bleach, sodium lauryl sulphate and citric acid.". Sodium hydroxide(lye) is not on included.
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>>Toilet bowl cleaner is just lye.

What toilet bowl cleaner contains lye? Just picking The Works as an example toilet bowl cleaner, I found this: "The Works toilet bowl cleaner include hydrochloric acid, chlorine bleach, sodium lauryl sulphate and citric acid.". Sodium hydroxide(lye) is not on included.
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I think many used to be lye, the problem was people were using it to make meth. At least in my area, we have a problem. Most companies switched to acids instead of bases around 15 years ago it seems, maybe longer ago. I remember trying to buy lye for my mom to make soap and it was hard and could only buy so much at one time because of the meth heads.

I also agree with you about recommending the dangerous stuff, heck muratic acid will also work great, but is dangerous and probably works too fast. I like the more forgiving but weaker acids, although ice used diluted muratic before.
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Thanks for the info all! If it is just lye or mostly lye, I will stick to my usuals. I prefer a less caustic approach. I know myself🙄. I would be wearing it half the time.

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Toilet bowl cleaners are acids. Lye is a base. Totally different chemicals. I use acids (citric, vinegar, toilet bowl cleaner) in varying concentrations to clean rust and metal surfaces. I use lye (oven cleaner, straight Red Devil lye from hardware store) to clean organic stuff like soot, which is, of course carbon.
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Lysol Toilet Bowl cleaner that I use (very carefully) is 12% HCL. Some frames have plating over the steel and it will quickly remove that as well as the rusted parts. Use caution!
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Paul, I'm fond of citric acid. You can purchase the granular form online, and it'll keep for years in a tightly sealed container. So safe, you can even eat it, but it's hard on the teeth... :D
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BSAGuy wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:24 pm Toilet bowl cleaners are acids. Lye is a base. Totally different chemicals. I use acids (citric, vinegar, toilet bowl cleaner) in varying concentrations to clean rust and metal surfaces. I use lye (oven cleaner, straight Red Devil lye from hardware store) to clean organic stuff like soot, which is, of course carbon.
Thanks for the clarification, Courtenay.

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austin65uri wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:56 am Lysol Toilet Bowl cleaner that I use (very carefully) is 12% HCL. Some frames have plating over the steel and it will quickly remove that as well as the rusted parts. Use caution!
Thanks for the heads up. It must work faster than citric.

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I've used The Works a couple of times with very good results. Great for surface rust removal on 228 frames. Cheap and fast but you need to verrryyy careful -- eye protection, skin protection and chemical gloves are a must.
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Gasman64 wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:13 am Paul, I'm fond of citric acid. You can purchase the granular form online, and it'll keep for years in a tightly sealed container. So safe, you can even eat it, but it's hard on the teeth... :D
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I bought 2lbs of it a few months ago online. It is a lot cheaper online. I paid twice as much for 1/2 lb at a bulk food place.

I hear it is like koolaid😀. No desire to drink it.

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Jayhawksr wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:05 pm I've used The Works a couple of times with very good results. Great for surface rust removal on 228 frames. Cheap and fast but you need to verrryyy careful -- eye protection, skin protection and chemical gloves are a must.
Hi Richard,
Sounds like pretty strong stuff. Good to know. I use a visor even with citric. No need to get that stuff in your eyes.

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The Works toilet cleaner used to be 20% Hydrochloric acid, now it’s only 9.5%. I use it a lot because it works fast (unlike Evaporust) and it’s cheap (also unlike Evaporust). There’s another inexpensive brand of toilet cleaner called Johnny Fresh with about the same HCl concentration. I mostly use it to clean and de-rust burner cages. I usually use something less harsh for the interiors of founts—either white vinegar, CLR or Evaporust.
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The Works used to be good. Now it’s worthless. I used to use it to pre clean rusted burner frames then Evaporust bath.

Now I just use citric acid in hot water. It’s cheap, does a good job and it’s a lot easier on my hands.
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Bill wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:17 pm The Works toilet cleaner used to be 20% Hydrochloric acid, now it’s only 9.5%. I use it a lot because it works fast (unlike Evaporust) and it’s cheap (also unlike Evaporust). There’s another inexpensive brand of toilet cleaner called Johnny Fresh with about the same HCl concentration. I mostly use it to clean and de-rust burner cages. I usually use something less harsh for the interiors of founts—either white vinegar, CLR or Evaporust.
Thanks for the info bill. You are right, evaporust is expensive. I bought a small container for$10 and I am reusing that until the bitter end. There is a home depot knock off brand that is cheaper. I will look for it next time I am there.

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mnhogrider wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:21 am The Works used to be good. Now it’s worthless. I used to use it to pre clean rusted burner frames then Evaporust bath.

Now I just use citric acid in hot water. It’s cheap, does a good job and it’s a lot easier on my hands.
Hi Steve, good to know. I use citric as well.

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Paul,

I agree, Evaporust ain't cheap, but it's still down to $15 for a gallon on Amazon. Certainly cheaper than $10 per quart!
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i decided to use lemon juice on very rusty military stove wrenches and it worked great,was completely safe and did not leave a nasty residue. when i started collecting i used muriatic acid but found out that it rusted any metal that was even remotely near the fumes it gave off so decided not to use that any more.
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BSAGuy wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:24 pm Toilet bowl cleaners are acids. Lye is a base. Totally different chemicals. I use acids (citric, vinegar, toilet bowl cleaner) in varying concentrations to clean rust and metal surfaces. I use lye (oven cleaner, straight Red Devil lye from hardware store) to clean organic stuff like soot, which is, of course carbon.
Courtenay is correct, when I posted earlier I was thinking of drain cleaner, which is often strong lye. It does a good job dissolving grease and hair.

With people talking about using cleaners that are different concentrations of hydrochloric acid I've wondered why more don't use muratic acid. Its ridiculously cheap, a table spoon or 2 to a gallon of water would probably be the same concentration as full strength vinegar, which is what I normally use. Just handle it carefully, outside because of fumes especially if heated, don't leave parts in too long, which is good advise in general. Then always neutralize with baking soda, which I do anyway.

Anyone have have a reason not too? Of course I would rather smell citric or even vinegar, but doing lots or big parts why not.
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I got some pretty bad flash rusting with 25% HCl toilet bowl cleaner when that craze hit the CCF about 9 years ago. I don't remember if it was diluted or not. I prefer citric, but even better, Evaporust (I love that stuff, it's worth the price to me.)
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JimL wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:55 am Paul,

I agree, Evaporust ain't cheap, but it's still down to $15 for a gallon on Amazon. Certainly cheaper than $10 per quart!
Hi jim,
That is a good price. I think it is double that here. It is worth it though.

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brokenmantle wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:19 am i decided to use lemon juice on very rusty military stove wrenches and it worked great,was completely safe and did not leave a nasty residue. when i started collecting i used muriatic acid but found out that it rusted any metal that was even remotely near the fumes it gave off so decided not to use that any more.
Muriatic scares me. I can see myself or s family member knocking it over. I don't mind waiting. Isn't lemon juice essentially a fragrant citric?

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>>That is a good price. I think it is double that here. It is worth it though.

Sorry Paul. I didn't remember that you were in Canada.

>><Muriatic scares me. I can see myself or s family member knocking it over. I don't mind waiting. Isn't lemon juice essentially a fragrant citric?

Scares me too, and it's a pet peeve of mine to see posters recommending it to folks without even asking if they've ever used it or even know how to handle it. You know, silly stuff like it'll burn skin on contact, that personal protective equipment needs to be worn, or the danger of mixing with water incorrectly. To not find out first or at least providing guidance is simply irresponsible

Citric acid does everything I want and there's no concern of getting it on the skin. If I want it to work a lot faster, I make it a little more concentrated and heat it up. I find that in a fount, hot citric acid will not only remove rust, but will also clean out old fuel sludge. Your lemon juice will be just fine. If you have dollar stores, they may have bottles of lemon juice, which will probably be made of citric acid. If you buy a lemonade flavored beverage, there's probably a 99.5% chance it's citric acid. Real lemons cost money. :)
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