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A few folks have mentioned that there were more than 1,008 of the 1941 nickel 520's made. Or just a few over a thousand. I'm getting numbers like a couple hundred more. Where is this information coming from? I've been out of the loop for a while so I'm guessing there's been new information discovered? I'm not disputing it, just curious about what was discovered. And I don't want to tell or spread incorrect information.
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Read the replies from konabill on this thread (and don't skip page2).
https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/1 ... ted.35803/
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JollyGreen wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:45 am Read the replies from konabill on this thread (and don't skip page2).
https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/1 ... ted.35803/
If anyone knows who wrote the wikipedia page about these stoves, send them that link too.
I really don't understand why and or how people get confused about this. Coleman made 1,008 brass fount nickel plated 4 leg 520 stoves in the first production run. Coleman has stated that. Herb Ebendorf said it many times, it's in print, I personally heard the man say it with my own ears during one of our conversations. AFTER the nickel ones were made and shipped they made the second run of them but didn't nickel plate them, they painted them. Total 520 made in 41 was 1,241 something. This is old news, well known information. 1,000 of the 1,008 of the brass fount, nickel plated 4 leg 520 stoves were shipped to the military and went out of an airplane with what would become the 10th mountain division over the swiss alps BEFORE 7 December 1941. There's Only 1,000 stoves that have that claim, period. If it's not nickel plated, it didn't go.

Additionally Coleman and AGM made painted 4 leg 520 stoves in late 1941 so there's more than 1,241 520 stoves made in 1941.
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kellyblues wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:32 am
JollyGreen wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:45 am Read the replies from konabill on this thread (and don't skip page2).
https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/1 ... ted.35803/
If anyone knows who wrote the wikipedia page about these stoves, send them that link too.
Additionally Coleman and AGM made painted 4 leg 520 stoves in late 1941 so there's more than 1,241 520 stoves made in 1941.
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Tgarner01 wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:38 am
kellyblues wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:32 am
JollyGreen wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:45 am Read the replies from konabill on this thread (and don't skip page2).
https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/1 ... ted.35803/
If anyone knows who wrote the wikipedia page about these stoves, send them that link too.
Additionally Coleman and AGM made painted 4 leg 520 stoves in late 1941 so there's more than 1,241 520 stoves made in 1941.
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Yeah man, nice stove! That's one of the painted ones. I believe those are steel fount correct?
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kellyblues wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:43 am
Tgarner01 wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:38 am
kellyblues wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:32 am
JollyGreen wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:45 am Read the replies from konabill on this thread (and don't skip page2).
https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/1 ... ted.35803/
If anyone knows who wrote the wikipedia page about these stoves, send them that link too.
Additionally Coleman and AGM made painted 4 leg 520 stoves in late 1941 so there's more than 1,241 520 stoves made in 1941.
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Yeah man, nice stove! That's one of the painted ones. I believe those are steel fount correct?
Yes, 41 AGM 4 legger, steel fount, steel case as well not pictured.
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Tgarner01 wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:45 am
kellyblues wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:43 am
Tgarner01 wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:38 am
kellyblues wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:32 am
JollyGreen wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:45 am Read the replies from konabill on this thread (and don't skip page2).
https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/1 ... ted.35803/
If anyone knows who wrote the wikipedia page about these stoves, send them that link too.
Additionally Coleman and AGM made painted 4 leg 520 stoves in late 1941 so there's more than 1,241 520 stoves made in 1941.
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Yeah man, nice stove! That's one of the painted ones. I believe those are steel fount correct?
Yes, 41 AGM 4 legger, steel fount, steel case as well not pictured.
Thanks for confirming that.
I had a 1941 painted 4 leg Coleman a long time ago and thought I remembered it being steel. The only 41 I've never had is the AGM.
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kellyblues wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:48 am
Tgarner01 wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:45 am
kellyblues wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:43 am
Tgarner01 wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:38 am
kellyblues wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:32 am
JollyGreen wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:45 am Read the replies from konabill on this thread (and don't skip page2).
https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/1 ... ted.35803/
If anyone knows who wrote the wikipedia page about these stoves, send them that link too.
Additionally Coleman and AGM made painted 4 leg 520 stoves in late 1941 so there's more than 1,241 520 stoves made in 1941.
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Yeah man, nice stove! That's one of the painted ones. I believe those are steel fount correct?
Yes, 41 AGM 4 legger, steel fount, steel case as well not pictured.
Thanks for confirming that.
I had a 1941 painted 4 leg Coleman a long time ago and thought I remembered it being steel. The only 41 I've never had is the AGM.
Not sure how common or uncommon they are, I picked this one up here from Oregon Michael as I always wanted a 520, and technically I'm still looking for one 😁
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Not sure how common or uncommon they are, I picked this one up here from Oregon Michael as I always wanted a 520, and technically I'm still looking for one 😁
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kellyblues wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:32 am
JollyGreen wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:45 am Read the replies from konabill on this thread (and don't skip page2).
https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/1 ... ted.35803/
If anyone knows who wrote the wikipedia page about these stoves, send them that link too.
I really don't understand why and or how people get confused about this. Coleman made 1,008 brass fount nickel plated 4 leg 520 stoves in the first production run. Coleman has stated that. Herb Ebendorf said it many times, it's in print, I personally heard the man say it with my own ears during one of our conversations. AFTER the nickel ones were made and shipped they made the second run of them but didn't nickel plate them, they painted them. Total 520 made in 41 was 1,241 something. This is old news, well known information. 1,000 of the 1,008 of the brass fount, nickel plated 4 leg 520 stoves were shipped to the military and went out of an airplane with what would become the 10th mountain division over the swiss alps BEFORE 7 December 1941. There's Only 1,000 stoves that have that claim, period. If it's not nickel plated, it didn't go.

Additionally Coleman and AGM made painted 4 leg 520 stoves in late 1941 so there's more than 1,241 520 stoves made in 1941.

You asked. So I shared where I had seen it in writing. Now you're sharing what's "well known" and implying that what's in those articles is wrong.
I wasn't there in 1941-44 so I won't argue but I will hope that somebody around here has access to additional documentation.
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JollyGreen wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:59 am
kellyblues wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:32 am
JollyGreen wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:45 am Read the replies from konabill on this thread (and don't skip page2).
https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/1 ... ted.35803/
If anyone knows who wrote the wikipedia page about these stoves, send them that link too.
I really don't understand why and or how people get confused about this. Coleman made 1,008 brass fount nickel plated 4 leg 520 stoves in the first production run. Coleman has stated that. Herb Ebendorf said it many times, it's in print, I personally heard the man say it with my own ears during one of our conversations. AFTER the nickel ones were made and shipped they made the second run of them but didn't nickel plate them, they painted them. Total 520 made in 41 was 1,241 something. This is old news, well known information. 1,000 of the 1,008 of the brass fount, nickel plated 4 leg 520 stoves were shipped to the military and went out of an airplane with what would become the 10th mountain division over the swiss alps BEFORE 7 December 1941. There's Only 1,000 stoves that have that claim, period. If it's not nickel plated, it didn't go.

Additionally Coleman and AGM made painted 4 leg 520 stoves in late 1941 so there's more than 1,241 520 stoves made in 1941.

You asked. So I shared where I had seen it in writing. Now you're sharing what's "well known" and implying that what's in those articles is wrong.
I wasn't there in 1941-44 so I won't argue but I will hope that somebody around here has access to additional documentation.
Yeah man and thanks for sharing. I sometimes really suck at the written text and come across bad. If I caused any offence, my apologies. What you shared definitely answers my question. What I'm saying is what's in that article isn't based on already established information from the company that made them and people that were there in those years. If you refer to the Coleman collectors guide published in 1996 and go to chapter 7 you will see where a large part of what I wrote above is based on. The additional information that's not on that page I got from one of the two men that wrote the book, Herb Ebendorf. Personally I'm going to go with the information provided by the company that made the stoves and two men that probably forgot more about Coleman than the rest of us are going to learn.
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The article in the link I shared above that specifies the 1,204 stoves in the first shipment to the Army Quartermaster Corp. was from the History Department of the Coleman Company Inc. published in issue Number 16 of "The Coleman Light", June 1988.
Herb W. Ebendorf, Editor
Considering the source, I'm sure folks will forgive me if I choose to stand by it and discount all other numbers as rumor and hearsay until I see one with a more impressive pedigree.

I shared it because that article is as close to Ex Cathedra as I've seen on the subject and there have been several other numbers from different sources shared and re-shared until they have become common knowledge despite appearing to be incorrect (in light of that article).

The absolute best part of all of this is that when it comes to military singles, I actually prefer the 530.
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The absolute best part of all of this is that when it comes to military singles, I actually prefer the 530.
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Ya know this certainly isn't the first or only example of conflicting records.Aprt of what makes it such a fun hobby.

I've never taken a 520 camping. Taken a 530 a bunch of times. For actually using I prefer the 530 as well. The 520's are fun trinkets.
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What's the major functional difference between the 530 and 520(I don't own a 520), that would make you prefer the former of the latter for camping? At a glance they look functionality identical.
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ecblanks wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:11 pm What's the major functional difference between the 530 and 520(I don't own a 520), that would make you prefer the former of the latter for camping? At a glance they look functionality identical.
The only functional difference I can think of is the wind shield around the flame spreader on the 520. Operating in high wind environments was one of the operating requirements the military gave Coleman. It does make a difference but you really have to be in some serious wind to bother a 530 really bad. Long time ago I did a test using a regular box fan. The fan did effect the 530 but not terribly. It didn't phase the 520 at all.

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ecblanks wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:11 pm What's the major functional difference between the 530 and 520(I don't own a 520), that would make you prefer the former of the latter for camping? At a glance they look functionality identical.
Forgot to answer the other question. Lol
I prefer the 530 for camping because I don't have to worry about snapping a leg off the bottom of the stove. 530's have a two piece can the stove stores in as you know since you have one. It's just easier to toss a 530 in the camping gear box/tote/backpack and not worry about it. I guess another functional difference is the 530 wrench also servers as a handle for the two pots/ can halves but I've honestly never used one for that. Lol
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Interesting, thanks!
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Looks like 1941 nickel 520s might be the BX of stoves, when it comes to discussing the finer points :D
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ecblanks wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:10 pm Interesting, thanks!
You're welcome. Glad I could help. Enjoy that 530!

Coast_to_Coast wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:22 pm Looks like 1941 nickel 520s might be the BX of stoves, when it comes to discussing the finer points :D
Really good way to put it!
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Pretty sure I have every production 520 Made in 1941.
From left: Coleman nickel, Coleman nickel (well used), Coleman painted (Unfired in box), AGM 4 leg small cap, AGM 3 leg large cap, AGM 4 leg large cap (unfired in box). Only one missing from photo is the AGM 3 leg small cap, I have it but couldn’t locate it for the photo op. Yes all of these are dated 1941

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Bumpstop wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:50 pm Image

Pretty sure I have every production 520 Made in 1941.
From left: Coleman nickel, Coleman nickel (well used), Coleman painted (Unfired in box), AGM 4 leg small cap, AGM 3 leg large cap, AGM 4 leg large cap (unfired in box). Only one missing from photo is the AGM 3 leg small cap, I have it but couldn’t locate it for the photo op. Yes all of these are dated 1941

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Well, since there's a thread going about these beauties, I thought I'd chime in. The '41 nickel plated 520 is one of my top 5 favorite Coleman appliances and I have a special one...
520 Proto 3.jpg
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520 Proto 10.jpg
This showed up on eBay several years ago and had been listed by a retired Coleman engineer. He said it was the prototype for the 520 and (according to him) there were two of these...and this is one of them. Not sure what became of the other one, but I seem to remember someone saying that it had turned up in someone's collection at one of the conventions years ago.

Looking at it right now, next to a standard '41 520 and it sits about 1/2" shorter. Not sure where they were going with the adjustable burner frame uprights, unless it was to make it more compact for storage...? Anyhow, it's one of my favorites.

As you can see, just a tiny bit shorter...
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Those are some real BEAUTIES Michael !!!

i only made it in to the 530 nickel club :-)
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OregonMichael wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:50 pm Well, since there's a thread going about these beauties, I thought I'd chime in. The '41 nickel plated 520 is one of my top 5 favorite Coleman appliances and I have a special one...

520 Proto 3.jpg520 Proto 7.jpg520 Proto 10.jpg

This showed up on eBay several years ago and had been listed by a retired Coleman engineer. He said it was the prototype for the 520 and (according to him) there were two of these...and this is one of them. Not sure what became of the other one, but I seem to remember someone saying that it had turned up in someone's collection at one of the conventions years ago.

Looking at it right now, next to a standard '41 520 and it sits about 1/2" shorter. Not sure where they were going with the adjustable burner frame uprights, unless it was to make it more compact for storage...? Anyhow, it's one of my favorites.

As you can see, just a tiny bit shorter...

IMG_8946.jpg
I remember when you got that. Freaking amazing. Still hate you. Lol. Just kidding. I've always wondered if that was a prototype before the rest were made possibly. That's the only thing I can come up with as for why it's the only one. Or only one known.
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OregonMichael wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:50 pm Well, since there's a thread going about these beauties, I thought I'd chime in. The '41 nickel plated 520 is one of my top 5 favorite Coleman appliances and I have a special one...

520 Proto 3.jpg520 Proto 7.jpg520 Proto 10.jpg

This showed up on eBay several years ago and had been listed by a retired Coleman engineer. He said it was the prototype for the 520 and (according to him) there were two of these...and this is one of them. Not sure what became of the other one, but I seem to remember someone saying that it had turned up in someone's collection at one of the conventions years ago.

Looking at it right now, next to a standard '41 520 and it sits about 1/2" shorter. Not sure where they were going with the adjustable burner frame uprights, unless it was to make it more compact for storage...? Anyhow, it's one of my favorites.

As you can see, just a tiny bit shorter...

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i especialy like how you can see the scribe'd work marks on the bottom of that one !!!
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kellyblues wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:01 am
OregonMichael wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:50 pm Well, since there's a thread going about these beauties, I thought I'd chime in. The '41 nickel plated 520 is one of my top 5 favorite Coleman appliances and I have a special one...

520 Proto 3.jpg520 Proto 7.jpg520 Proto 10.jpg

This showed up on eBay several years ago and had been listed by a retired Coleman engineer. He said it was the prototype for the 520 and (according to him) there were two of these...and this is one of them. Not sure what became of the other one, but I seem to remember someone saying that it had turned up in someone's collection at one of the conventions years ago.

Looking at it right now, next to a standard '41 520 and it sits about 1/2" shorter. Not sure where they were going with the adjustable burner frame uprights, unless it was to make it more compact for storage...? Anyhow, it's one of my favorites.

As you can see, just a tiny bit shorter...

IMG_8946.jpg
I remember when you got that. Freaking amazing. Still hate you. Lol. Just kidding. I've always wondered if that was a prototype before the rest were made possibly. That's the only thing I can come up with as for why it's the only one. Or only one known.
Kelly, I remember talking to you about this when I got it. The seller and I got on the phone and chatted for about an hour and then made the deal. Unbelievably, I didn't save his contact info, and I really wish I had. Super nice guy and had all kinds of information. All I remember was that he and his family stayed in Wichita after retirement. I think it was Warren that told me he'd seen the other one at one of the conventions years before, but he couldn't remember who had it.
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SteveRetherford wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:11 am i especialy like how you can see the scribe'd work marks on the bottom of that one !!!
Same here, Steve. That gave a lotta credibility to what the seller was telling me about it.
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SteveRetherford wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:11 am i especialy like how you can see the scribe'd work marks on the bottom of that one !!!
That’s phenomenal! Master mofo assembled that.

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OregonMichael wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:15 am
SteveRetherford wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:11 am i especialy like how you can see the scribe'd work marks on the bottom of that one !!!
Same here, Steve. That gave a lotta credibility to what the seller was telling me about it.
I’m assuming you saved that discussion?

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Whitegas Extraordinaire wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:16 am
OregonMichael wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:15 am
SteveRetherford wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:11 am i especialy like how you can see the scribe'd work marks on the bottom of that one !!!
Same here, Steve. That gave a lotta credibility to what the seller was telling me about it.
I’m assuming you saved that discussion?
Phone conversation and I sure wish I'd saved his number.
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Michael. Yeah I remember we spoke about it a couple of times in length. I remember you told me all that stuff but I be damned I can remember it. Perhaps what I'm thinking was more the information I got from you? It's been a lot of years. I also remember showing the pictures to Ernie and he called Herb and spoke about it but I don't remember the results of that conversation either. I'm still just as stoaked for you getting that stove today as I was then.
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