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Besides my USFS lanterns and a bucket stamped USFS, I don't have much to go with the display. A post on the "Collections/Restorations" thread showed a USFS lock. Turns out they don't give those away either. At least not with a key. Then I found this.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Forest-Serv ... _cvip=true

I would have paid that, cause that is cool.
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That was really cool! I am looking for a few things to display as well.
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That is really cool but the $$$
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That call box is cool.
I have one of the FS. Locks that has the pine tree on it. There was an Ebay seller in Canada that was selling the reproduction keys for the FS locks. Apparently those locks all took the same key.


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gpaguy wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:46 am That call box is cool.
I have one of the FS. Locks that has the pine tree on it. There was an Ebay seller in Canada that was selling the reproduction keys for the FS locks. Apparently those locks all took the same key.
All USFS Yale locks throughout the country used/still use the same key. I wish I hadn't lost mine.
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smarti wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:20 am Besides my USFS lanterns and a bucket stamped USFS, I don't have much to go with the display. A post on the "Collections/Restorations" thread showed a USFS lock. Turns out they don't give those away either. At least not with a key. Then I found this.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Forest-Serv ... _cvip=true

I would have paid that, cause that is cool.
I would love to see other examples of that style USFS call box.

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That's one epic call box. Thanks for the link.
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Seriously doubt this was made for or used by the U.S. Forest Service. The FS plate on the front of the box is authentic. The phone would have been inside the box rather than outside. So far as I am aware the Forest Service did not place too many phones in outside locations but usually inside lookouts, guard stations etc. FS employees carried some kind of portable phone to connect to the lines in the woods. The seller has for sale an "American Red Cross Call Box." Company is imaginative if nothing else.
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A50Chris wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:08 am Seriously doubt this was made for or used by the U.S. Forest Service. The FS plate on the front of the box is authentic. The phone would have been inside the box rather than outside. So far as I am aware the Forest Service did not place too many phones in outside locations but usually inside lookouts, guard stations etc. FS employees carried some kind of portable phone to connect to the lines in the woods. The seller has for sale an "American Red Cross Call Box." Company is imaginative if nothing else.
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I don't understand why the light is mounted on the box. Looks to me it should be an outdoor item but the unprotected phone doesn't make sense. Is the light tied in with the ringer?. Did the light flash also when ringing? Still...a neat looking antique.
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Pure hokum. That phone would not have been mounted outside the box. Gamewell made telephone boxes, but the handsets (and usually only a handset, no dial) would be inside the box.
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Gunhippie wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:48 am
A50Chris wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:08 am Seriously doubt this was made for or used by the U.S. Forest Service. The FS plate on the front of the box is authentic. The phone would have been inside the box rather than outside. So far as I am aware the Forest Service did not place too many phones in outside locations but usually inside lookouts, guard stations etc. FS employees carried some kind of portable phone to connect to the lines in the woods. The seller has for sale an "American Red Cross Call Box." Company is imaginative if nothing else.
Sadly, yeah, this^
I’m in agreement, another fantasy EBay item.
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I feel I've seen this item before or one like it.


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That is an interesting looking phone be it real or not. I wonder what was used in the fire towers for communication back in the 30s 40s. There must have been some type of phone or radio to signal an alarm.

On a side note I remember reading a story a while back about a USFS fire tower that caught fire due to a fuel spill from a lantern.
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vmax29 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:53 pm That is an interesting looking phone be it real or not. I wonder what was used in the fire towers for communication back in the 30s 40s. There must have been some type of phone or radio to signal an alarm.

On a side note I remember reading a story a while back about a USFS fire tower that caught fire due to a fuel spill from a lantern.
There were many thousands of miles of single-strand copper wire strung through the woods. Much of it was still hanging when I was a kid.

I once met a guy who had a contract (or so he said) with the USFS to collect the wire for salvage. He spent half the day walking through the woods shooting the insulators off the trees with a .22, then jacked the back of his truck up, chained one wheel to lock it, removed the other and installed a split-rim. He used that to spool up about a quarter mile of wire. He'd split the rim and remove the spooled wire and start over again.

A look0out tower or ranger station would have a single hand piece--no dial--with hand-cranked magneto to make the call. The main office had a switchboard that let them know what station they were talking to. As mentioned above, rangers would also carry a hand-held unit they could simply clip to the wires strung through the woods.
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Great information! Thanks for that reply. The split wheel method to collect the wire is great thinking.

I remember my dad telling me about stringing communication wire in Italy during WWII and how the enemy planes would strafe the area when they saw the bare copper wire. They eventually took to blackening the wire with a campfire so it was less visible to the aircraft.
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Can you imagine being the guy who cruised all those miles of wire, splicing breaks after the winter and every storm? Probably carried about a hundred lbs of gear! Saw, axe, hammer, spare wire, spare insulators....
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vmax29 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:53 pmThat is an interesting looking phone be it real or not.
The phone bolted to the call box is definitely real, it just wasn't used like that, nor was that color. Called various names like a "Spacesaver" and a "hanging handset" the telephone manufacturers each had their version of it. One of the most common applications was mounted to the side of a desk or table to "save space" on the desk top. There had to be a separate bell box mounted nearby because there was no room inside the mounting for a bell or other telephone innards. Automatic Electric's version did have the internal induction coil, but still there was no room for a bell, the Western Electric version had nothing but the hookswitch inside it.
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