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Maybe a dumb question that's been answered before but how did Coleman come up with their lantern model numbers? Why a 327 or a 242 or a 236? or a 425 stove for that matter? Why is an E20 poultry and E20? Do these numbers refer to anything in particular? I can see where a 200 vs 220 is single vs double mantle but beyond that who knows? Anybody have any ideas? Just curious......
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That way lies madness....
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They drew them out of hat....


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Gunhippie wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 5:44 pm That way lies madness....
Till I started hanging around here I'd no idea the "plethora" of different lantern models over the years. Makes no sense to me.
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Without writing a book here, 😁
In the beginning these numbers were selected to reference the size, shape, material, or other differences in the “globe”
316/319/323/327/220. Just as lamp shades were assigned numbers for their identification.
As for the E20, I know of no definitive documentation, the first letter in this era describes the fount size, shape, material, or other differences, my thoughts are the “E” is for economic fount and “20” is in inches the advertised height.
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Sometimes it's easier to just accept "that" something is instead of pondering "why" it is.
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Because...
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too much idle "lockdown" time to think about things like this I guess :)
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coleman54 wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 6:21 pm Without writing a book here, 😁
In the beginning these numbers were selected to reference the size, shape, material, or other differences in the “globe”
316/319/323/327/220. Just as lamp shades were assigned numbers for their identification.
As for the E20, I know of no definitive documentation, the first letter in this era describes the fount size, shape, material, or other differences, my thoughts are the “E” is for economic fount and “20” is in inches the advertised height.
Thanks Larry....
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427 is a lantern. 413, 425 and 426 are stoves. Go figure.
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Gunhippie wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 7:20 pm 427 is a lantern. 413, 425 and 426 are stoves. Go figure.
How about the 327 hot plate?... Pretty sure Coleman just wanted to confuse later generations 😁
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How about the 442 Aluminum Box Stove vs, the 442 single burner, decades later?
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Gunhippie wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 7:20 pm 427 is a lantern. 413, 425 and 426 are stoves. Go figure.
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As I stated “in the beginning “ (1914) discussing lanterns numbers , things began to change after about the mid twenties, things got shook up again. Coleman now had stoves, irons and etc.
There was a no. 327 stove and a no. 327 mica at the same time frame.
The 220 mica in 1928 was a six piece and 327 was the 13 piece.
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Probably followed the same principle they used when numbering these:
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austin65uri wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 8:26 pm Probably followed the same principle they used when numbering these:
:cf_funny: :cf_absolutely:
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Tgarner01 wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 6:03 pm They drew them out of hat....


The above statement is complete nonsense from the idiot who wrote it as with many things he has to say... Sincerely, idiots wife 😉
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When Canada was being formed as a new domain of England ... the People (new comers) were undecided on what to call this new nation. Someone suggested that the letters from the alphabet should be put in a hat and one of the earliest settlers should be the one to draw the letters.. So the gentleman reached in and pulled out and announced each letter to the crowd as he did so... it went like this.. " C, eh? N, eh? D, eh?" And there you have it!
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Jeepstircrazy wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 10:50 pm
Tgarner01 wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 6:03 pm They drew them out of hat....


The above statement is complete nonsense from the idiot who wrote it as with many things he has to say... Sincerely, idiots wife 😉
Toby, you lose control of the keyboard? Here's one for your wife...

When Canada was being formed as a new domain of England ... the People (new comers) were undecided on what to call this new nation. Someone suggested that the letters from the alphabet should be put in a hat and one of the earliest settlers should be the one to draw the letters.. So the gentleman reached in and pulled out and announced each letter to the crowd as he did so... it went like this.. " C, eh? N, eh? D, eh?" And there you have it!

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Jeepstircrazy wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 10:50 pm
Tgarner01 wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 6:03 pm They drew them out of hat....


The above statement is complete nonsense from the idiot who wrote it as with many things he has to say... Sincerely, idiots wife 😉
Toby, you lose control of the keyboard? Here's one for your wife...

When Canada was being formed as a new domain of England ... the People (new comers) were undecided on what to call this new nation. Someone suggested that the letters from the alphabet should be put in a hat and one of the earliest settlers should be the one to draw the letters.. So the gentleman reached in and pulled out and announced each letter to the crowd as he did so... it went like this.. " C, eh? N, eh? D, eh?" And there you have it!
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Jeepstircrazy wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 10:50 pm
Tgarner01 wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 6:03 pm They drew them out of hat....


The above statement is complete nonsense from the idiot who wrote it as with many things he has to say... Sincerely, idiots wife 😉
Toby, you lose control of the keyboard? Here's one for your wife...

When Canada was being formed as a new domain of England ... the People (new comers) were undecided on what to call this new nation. Someone suggested that the letters from the alphabet should be put in a hat and one of the earliest settlers should be the one to draw the letters.. So the gentleman reached in and pulled out and announced each letter to the crowd as he did so... it went like this.. " C, eh? N, eh? D, eh?" And there you have it!
:cf_heeheehee: Wayne that's funny dontcha know 😂
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Jeepstircrazy wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 10:50 pm
Tgarner01 wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 6:03 pm They drew them out of hat....


The above statement is complete nonsense from the idiot who wrote it as with many things he has to say... Sincerely, idiots wife 😉
Toby, you lose control of the keyboard? Here's one for your wife...

When Canada was being formed as a new domain of England ... the People (new comers) were undecided on what to call this new nation. Someone suggested that the letters from the alphabet should be put in a hat and one of the earliest settlers should be the one to draw the letters.. So the gentleman reached in and pulled out and announced each letter to the crowd as he did so... it went like this.. " C, eh? N, eh? D, eh?" And there you have it!
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Then in 1938, stoves formerly known by small numbers like 2, 3, 4, 6, and 9 with various letter suffixes were changed to 3 digit model numbers. Apparently behind the scenes they were using the 3 digit model numbers for the parts on the single digit stoves and made them all match up properly by re-designating the stove model numbers. So the model 2 became the 416, the model 3 became the 413, the model 4 became the 417, the model 6 became the 412, and the 9 became the 415. This move made the sales and factory designations match up. Why in that order? Who knows.
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and Mod 4 continued (or was reused?) in Canada...
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I've noticed a few patterns over the years.
One is that they liked to use odd numbers for kerosene (249, 237, 639, 235, 201, 247, etc)); There are exceptions; 234 and 229.
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