Anyone seen a plaque like this on a stove before?

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Anyone seen a plaque like this on a stove before?

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Hey all, I recently acquired a battered Canadian 4M suitcase stove (or so I thought).

This little plaque is on the inside of the lid, and seems to call it a 4MX? with some writing in what I think is German. Is this an export version of the 4M? The case is just labeled 4M and Made in Canada.

I tried searching the forum, but it will not search for just the term 4M, telling me that it is too common or too short to search.

I did see mention of a 4MX on Terry’s site, but I didn’t see one with a plaque like this, or much information about them.

I don’t have very good pictures of the stove yet, but if you imagine a battered green suitcase stove, you would be on the right track. I am happy to get more pictures if needed.

Any thoughts are appreciated.
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Interesting. All I can guess is that it’s an export stove. That looks like German writing I think.
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That's awesome.

Did you find it in Canada?
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Must be something VERY special! :o
The second line reads: for gasoline only.
The third line is obviously an approval number from PTB (Physical Technical Bundesanstalt). They do tests on equipment and certify its safety.
Section 3 deals with "chemical physics and explosion protection".
Perhaps Coleman sent a stove to them to have it tested and certified before going on the market? :shock:
Unfortunately I couldn't find more info about the numbers.
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As someone who appreciates the 4's and the 4m I'd be mighty happy to have that unique stove.
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That is really interesting! Nice score on a cool piece.
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It would help if we knew your location. Europe, N.A? You did mention export model.
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Hey again everyone.

Sorry for dropping a single photo late in the evening and not providing more details.

This stove turned up from an antique dealer here in Southern Idaho. I was assuming export model because the plaque is in German. I don't know how she got it, other than I did pick up a Canadian iron trivet from her at the same time.

Big thanks for all the help and thoughts so far. Erwin, thank you for translating.

I took another quick peek this morning (and I promise more pictures later today, when I get off work) and noticed a few things.

The Manifold looks like it may be cast, but it's definitely pipe between the two burners.

The tank is equipped oddly. It appears to have some sort of preheating tray, with instructions in German again, that is below the valve and part of the generator. It looks like a little tray, and is attached to the tank top. It also has some kind of overpressure valve (I think) on the top, in addition to the pump on one end, and filler cap on the other. The tank is a gold cylindrical tank similar to what you'd see on an early US 425. There is an extra hole in the front of the stove case for the tray to pass through with the generator to the burner.
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Update, here are a few more photos showing the model number, and the oddball pressure release, as well as the little drip tray setup. If it was older, I would guess that was for preheating. There’s more (German, I think?) writing on the little drip tray.

The burner manifold and pipes are much heavier than a US stove, and attract a magnet,but don’t look the same as a usual cast setup.

Incidentally, I’m apparently missing the burner grate. Bummer.
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Very Interesting stove! That valve and the chute-thingy that extends into the case sure is intriguing.

The info on that shield/tray has got to be some lighting instructions. Google translate can also give you the English translation if you enter it in. It was coming back with some stuff but I can't see enough from the pics and I can't read German to even begin to guess at what it could be. Can you get better pics of the lettering? If some of it is difficult to make out, you might try making a rubbing of the embossed information.

Hopefully Erwin will check back in!
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I spent some time at Rhein-Mein AB back in the 90s. "Nur Fur" auf Deutsch translates to "Only for".
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Ridge Runner wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:41 am Very Interesting stove! That valve and the chute-thingy that extends into the case sure is intriguing.

The info on that shield/tray has got to be some lighting instructions. Google translate can also give you the English translation if you enter it in. It was coming back with some stuff but I can't see enough from the pics and I can't read German to even begin to guess at what it could be. Can you get better pics of the lettering? If some of it is difficult to make out, you might try making a rubbing of the embossed information.

Hopefully Erwin will check back in!
Very difficult to make out.
I can only guess the line below the valve could read like "Vor dem abstellen...." means "before shutting down...."

If you clean the pan some more and the writing is readable I'll try to help more with translation.
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When you get this stove cleaned up you might want to contact Terry Marsh about it.


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Erwin, I would greatly appreciate it if you would help me with contacting the PTB to see if there is any more information available about it.

LJ, I will try to either get a better picture this afternoon, or make a rubbing of it, or both.

Thanks again to all who are helping me demystify this.

I'll have to try to track down a grate for it and make it complete again.
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Okay, writing from the tray ( I think ). I tried my best with a little flashlight, some pencil rubbing, and some light cleaning:

ZUM ANZÜNDEN
HEBEL
NACH OBEN

NACH 1 MINUTE
HEBEL
NACH UNTEN

VOR DEM ABSTELLEN
HEBEL 1 MINUTE VORHER
NACH OBEN OREHEN

Lighting instructions? Does it make sense?
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Hi Aaron.
Yes, lighting instructions. Makes sense. :P

Translation:
To light
lever
up

after one minute
lever
down

befor shut down
lever 1 minute before
turn up.

Not grammatically translated correcty but I hope that helps :lol:
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Coleman instructions literature used to suggest running the stove with the lever back up in the "light" position for a minute prior to shutdown, this helps to burn off the heavier "end" fuel residues that might accumulate in the generator. This would also be particularly beneficial if one were forced to use something other than CF, I expect.

That stove is an "oddy" for sure.
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Maybe the tray is an "ashtray" for matches! :mrgreen:
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Stovie wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:47 am Coleman instructions literature used to suggest running the stove with lever down for a minute prior to shutdown, this helps to burn off the heavier "end" fuel residues that might accumulate in the generator. This would also be particularly beneficial if one were forced to use something other than CF, I expect.

That stove is an "oddy" for sure.
Sure you don't mean lever up on this...?
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Doh! Yes, you are correct. "Up". We regret the error
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