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I was jonesing for a 200A, so I bought this little red wonder, 1 59, my first. Probably payed too much, but it wasn't a fortune either. It hadn't run in God knows how long, but was complete. cleaned the varnish out with BBs and a mix of fuel, WD40, and Berrymans, washed her up a bit, cleaned the fuel air tube, stretched the spring. removed and cleaned the check valve, cleaned and oiled the leather. It's a bit hard to pump. does the pressure pipe ever get plugged?
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There's a snorkle attached at the base of the pump tube that opens near the top of the fount. The air you pump into the fount passes through this snorkle, and yes, it can get plugged. I had a plugged snorkle on a 400B stove. Soaked it overnight in denatured alcohol, and I was able to force the plug out the next morning just by pushing hard on the pump.
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TwoCanoes wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:44 am There's a snorkle attached at the base of the pump tube that opens near the top of the fount. The air you pump into the fount passes through this snorkle, and yes, it can get plugged. I had a plugged snorkle on a 400B stove. Soaked it overnight in denatured alcohol, and I was able to force the plug out the next morning just by pushing hard on the pump.
Thank you. If it doesn't get better on it's own I may give that a try. you just fill the fount with the alcohol?
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Looks good. Try the alcohol or some carb cleaner in the pump barrel. Give it 1 pump to force it past the check valve and in to the snorkel then let it sit over night and try it the next day. Good luck and nice lantern.
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A Seabee wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:53 am
TwoCanoes wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:44 am There's a snorkle attached at the base of the pump tube that opens near the top of the fount. The air you pump into the fount passes through this snorkle, and yes, it can get plugged. I had a plugged snorkle on a 400B stove. Soaked it overnight in denatured alcohol, and I was able to force the plug out the next morning just by pushing hard on the pump.
Thank you. If it doesn't get better on it's own I may give that a try. you just fill the fount with the alcohol?
Do not fill it with alcohol. If it has the factory sealant on the floor of the fount alcohol will cause it to peel up. I usually put some cfuel in the pump tube and push it in the snorkel and let it sit. That and time usually takes car of it. I just did this on a 249. Literally started getting better the next day.
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Looking nice and burning bright! You got that one looking good for a 62 year old lantern.
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That is a nice 200A! Looks nice and bright!
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kellyblues wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:16 am Do not fill it with alcohol. If it has the factory sealant on the floor of the fount alcohol will cause it to peel up. I usually put some cfuel in the pump tube and push it in the snorkel and let it sit. That and time usually takes car of it. I just did this on a 249. Literally started getting better the next day.
Thanks for catching that, kellyblues. The stove I cleared with alcohol didn't have the fount lining, and, correct me if I'm wrong, but 200As from 1959 didn't, either. But you're right - I have used alcohol to try to remove the lining on lanterns in which the lining has started to blister. As Bumpkin_95 suggests, carb cleaner might be a good alternative too, but be sure not to get the carb cleaner on the fount's paint. It's a great paint remover.
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TwoCanoes wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 2:27 pm
kellyblues wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:16 am Do not fill it with alcohol. If it has the factory sealant on the floor of the fount alcohol will cause it to peel up. I usually put some cfuel in the pump tube and push it in the snorkel and let it sit. That and time usually takes car of it. I just did this on a 249. Literally started getting better the next day.
Thanks for catching that, kellyblues. The stove I cleared with alcohol didn't have the fount lining, and, correct me if I'm wrong, but 200As from 1959 didn't, either. But you're right - I have used alcohol to try to remove the lining on lanterns in which the lining has started to blister. As Bumpkin_95 suggests, carb cleaner might be a good alternative too, but be sure not to get the carb cleaner on the fount's paint. It's a great paint remover.
I don't remember the exact years tbh. I just make it a habit to never use it. Another method I use if the snorkel is clogged. Remove everything above the valve assembly, remove check valve, fill 3/4 with Coleman fuel, pump a few times , place it upside down in a metal pot or bucket and leave in the direct sun light. The clog is normally closer to the pump since it's the oil from the pump and leather fragments that clog it most of the time.

Another way is using a hydraulic slammer. I believe Mike sells them. I made myself one years ago. It's slightly smaller than the pump tube. Put fluid in the pump tube, insert tool and whack with a hammer. This works very well. The only thing I don't like about it is it pushes the gunk into the fount.
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I think I’ll try the alcohol or cf in the pump tube first and see what happens. I went out this morning before work and pumping it up seemed a little easier with just having used it last night.
But, any way that the clog is cleared is going to dump into the fount, right? And will a little alcohol in the fount with the fuel cause any problems? Or should I dump that tank and rinse again after the snorkel clears?
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fill the fount with boiling water, cap it and invert it. The heat will melt the congealed pump lube in the "snorkel" and you can clear it with the pump.
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To remove sludge and rust, I use boiling citric. In this case, plain boiling water may work fine. However, one difference from Dan's suggestion that I would use is to fill with boiling water, tip the lantern so the boiling water gets into the snorkel, then leave it sitting right side up. Although both methods would likely work.

Just make certain there's no pressure in the fount with the boiling water. The check valve does a great job of holding back the air, not so with liquid. If there's pressure and you open the pump, any liquid in the snorkel and check valve may squirt out at you.
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kellyblues wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:16 am
A Seabee wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:53 am
TwoCanoes wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:44 am There's a snorkle attached at the base of the pump tube that opens near the top of the fount. The air you pump into the fount passes through this snorkle, and yes, it can get plugged. I had a plugged snorkle on a 400B stove. Soaked it overnight in denatured alcohol, and I was able to force the plug out the next morning just by pushing hard on the pump.
Thank you. If it doesn't get better on it's own I may give that a try. you just fill the fount with the alcohol?
Do not fill it with alcohol. If it has the factory sealant on the floor of the fount alcohol will cause it to peel up. I usually put some cfuel in the pump tube and push it in the snorkel and let it sit. That and time usually takes car of it. I just did this on a 249. Literally started getting better the next day.
It's 1/'59. No fount liner.

I use carb cleaner for this. It's much better at dissolving the varnish, as that's what it was formulated for. Just don't get any on the paint. Carb cleaner will also burn just fine, so a partial pump tube full isn't a problem--no need to drain fuel.
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