Polishing a Turd: A 275 Odyssey

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Polishing a Turd: A 275 Odyssey

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A friend, Mike, has been going to a fishing/hunting camp on the Noatak river, AK for a few decades. Last year, the tundra reclaimed the cabin and a new one was built. Mike dug through the ruins looking for a memento of his many stays and great times in the old cabin, and came home with this:

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According to Mike, the cabin owners aren't real big on maintenance, and this lantern shows it. The vent is in fair condition, but entirely black with soot. The collar and globe are missing, and the paint pretty sketchy on the fount top. His instructions were to "make it work, but no re-paint or extreme measures".

OK, so time to tear it down. I've only done one 275 in the past, a few years ago, so I've forgotten most everything except that I don't enjoy working on 275s. I recall that I found a great photo tutorial on the 275, including things like getting the valve set properly, but can't find it again, so time to wing it.

This is a 1/ '79 275 (not A), but it's somewhat different from the one I've done before, mostly in the valve.

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Where the other 275 had a Circlip to retain the valve position thing, this has a soft brass roll pin. I hate roll pins. If you don't have the right, special punch and hold your mouth just right, you're going to mash the end of the pin over, leaving drilling as the only alternative. I did this immediately.

Well, maybe I'll get lucky and the valve stem packing won't leak. Let's pull the valve out and get to the Schrader at its heart.

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Next problem: That FA tube ain't budging. It has two flats for a wrench, which I quickly round off. I put it in the ultrasonic with the rest of the parts which aren't aluminum, cadmium plated or painted.

Still won't move. Maybe Coleman used a thread locker, so I heat it up to the point that I now know that Schrader is toast, and it still won't move. I use a pair of Channelocs, and just chew it up.

When at first you don't succeed, quit--that's my motto. Fortunately, I have an earlier 275 as a parts donor, and it has the Circlip on the valve:

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Easy peasy. The FA tube comes out with little resistance.

But:

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Yup, that's half of the Schrader. The other half is firmly stuck in the FA tube. After about an hour of wrestling with it, some heat finally gets the piece to release.

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Fortunately, I also have a lot of refrigeration parts around the brewery boneyard, so I salvage an oil/fuel/heat rated Schrader from there.

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Of course, when I go to reassemble the valve, the Circlip goes ziiiing and vanishies to wherever it is that small parts go in the shop, never to be seen again. A quick trip to the hardware store and I have another 5/16" Circlip and the valve is made whole again.

Not on to the rest of it. Let's hope this is easier!

Here's something interesting:

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That's the underside of a peeling paint chip. It's dull white. Did Coleman actually use a primer on these?

Time to start putting it all back together:

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First, make a new gasket for the cap (another thread) and replace it. Turns out, the old gasket comes right out in one piece! I've never had that happen, and it probably means it was fine. Oh, well, replace it anyway.

On to the gen.

On the second heat/quench cycle, the guts pop right out!

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That's a nice change!

I'm in the habit of always running a rod down the gen tube from the top, just in case one of those pesky screens is waiting to bend the pricker.

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Yep.

Give it a good ol' fashioned Hippie Wrap with solder wick:

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And it's ready to go. That, BTW, was 12 inches of wick.

Now to adjust the new Schrader valve. This is the part I was hoping to find the tutorial for, but, once again, I'll wing it. I screwed the valve assembly into the fount with the cap and new pump leather, turn the valve to the "OFF" position, put a drop of DNA in the top of the eccentric and give the pump a few strokes. DNA bubbles out. Pull the valve, unscrew the FA tube one turn, repeat until no air comes out. Now I tighten the FA tube a little, test again. Repeat until it leaks again, then slack off just a bit. Got it!

Brass parts all went in the US cleaner. All other parts got a goodly scrubbing with Dawn soap and a white Scotch Brite pad.

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I had to do some digging to find the box of replacement 275 globes I got at a hardware store going-out-of-business sale a few years ago (they're still in business), but I did find them.

Fuel it up, tie on some Philippines Peerless mantles, burn 'em in, and....

Money Shot!

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It even turns off!

TFL. I hope Mike's happy with this PITA.
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Very nice Timm! Ya did real good on that one. She turned out real nice. Your friend Mike ought to be well pleased with that😎.

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Well done Timm. That should make him happy!!
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Those lanterns take some careful tuning. NICE job. They are not easy to work on.
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Great story and excellent save! I'm rather found of turds.
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Nice work, Timm. Proof that one can polish a turd!
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Me likes them.
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I can't imagine your friend not being happy with how nice that turned out. That'll be good for the long haul now!
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Nice job Timm, both project and presentation! A turd should never be left in the field. ;)
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Very nice Timm!
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Thanks, y'all!

This really was the fiddliest fettle I've done. It seemed like there was something new to challenge me around every corner.

I hope Mike likes "Noatak Nellie", and doesn't mind that it's going to cost more than the usual fettle. The 275 I parted out for this was in better shape than this one, and now I can't fettle and sell it. Anyone got a spare early 275 valve assembly sitting around?
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That's pretty cool. Reminds me of an old ad where the guy pulls a rifle out of a river in Alaska with Leupold scope on it and it's still water proof.

Anyway, I think that 275 was actually the VERY RARE 275 LAMP, given that it had no collar and no globe! :-)
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Gunhippie wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:45 pm Thanks, y'all!

This really was the fiddliest fettle I've done. It seemed like there was something new to challenge me around every corner.

I hope Mike likes "Noatak Nellie", and doesn't mind that it's going to cost more than the usual fettle. The 275 I parted out for this was in better shape than this one, and now I can't fettle and sell it. Anyone got a spare early 275 valve assembly sitting around?
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I’ll take a look, I know I have a couple of rough 275.

Thank you!
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Gunhippie wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:45 pm Thanks, y'all!

This really was the fiddliest fettle I've done. It seemed like there was something new to challenge me around every corner.

I hope Mike likes "Noatak Nellie", and doesn't mind that it's going to cost more than the usual fettle. The 275 I parted out for this was in better shape than this one, and now I can't fettle and sell it. Anyone got a spare early 275 valve assembly sitting around?
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Wow Timm well done! Your friend will be very happy with it now.
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Timm, you always out do yourself 😎

Quality work buddy!
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Timm, Confirmation once again of your status as the premier lantern whisperer here. Only a fettler of your skill and resourcefulness could have pulled that off. Very well done.
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