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Coleman Made in England 2242?

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Question for the more knowledgable. So I know England has the 242b, and the 2242 lanterns. The lantern on the right is the normal 242b Made in England that I am used to. It is dated and has the large coleman stamp centered between pump and fuel cap and a normal B vent. The one on the left however, is not dated anywhere and has the small coleman stamp below the fuel cap. The vent is not a normal B vent either. It appears to be the same as the 2242 but is not stamped 2242, and the frame is different than the 2242, but the burner itself is stamped 3000 just like the 2242 . I just got the one on the left in a trade on Saturday and am very curious as it doesnt match identical to others I have seen. Thanks for the help.
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I don't know England model lanterns, but those two are really nice. Is that a split around the fuel fill in the last photo?
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Looks like a 2242 lantern to me. These were also called the 242 "Baby Lantern" in some early advertisements of made in England Coleman lanterns.
Pancho, (Pancholoco1911), a CCF member here, has a Made in England 2242 lantern. They are very rare. So he may be able to identify if your lantern has the same features as his 2242.

Could you show some more pictures of it's features, like the burner assembly, any stampings on the collar, the pump type, and maybe confirm what type of fuel delivery pipe on the underside if the valve, is it a straight fuel tube like the kerosene lanterns, or a fuel/air tube like the Coleman gas lanterns?

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I don’t know what it is but I like it!
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OK, here is an 1934 advertisment from The Coleman Quick-Lite Co. Ltd. in Birmingham England which I saved from one of Jeff's ccf posts. Jeff used to be a member here, and is still an active member on the cpl site.
It shows a reference to a 242 Baby Lantern, made in England from that period, which is maybe the same lantern you have. There are also other British made Coleman products shown in the advert.
It would still be interesting to see some more details of the features of your lantern as I have mentioned above.

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Guff wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:44 pm Looks like a 2242 lantern to me. These were also called the 242 "Baby Lantern" in some early advertisements of made in England Coleman lanterns.
Pancho, (Pancholoco1911), a CCF member here, has a Made in England 2242 lantern. They are very rare. So he may be able to identify if your lantern has the same features as his 2242.

Could you show some more pictures of it's features, like the burner assembly, any stampings on the collar, the pump type, and maybe confirm what type of fuel delivery pipe on the underside if the valve, is it a straight fuel tube like the kerosene lanterns, or a fuel/air tube like the Coleman gas lanterns?

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I wish I had one but no. I don’t own anything made in England yet. Here it’s a good reference threads

https://classicpressurelamps.com/thread ... land.7784/

https://classicpressurelamps.com/thread ... land.2101/

https://classicpressurelamps.com/thread ... land.2034/
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Oops, Pancho!
Yeah, I knew you had a rare 242 type lantern but that was your rare 244 model. Sorry for pushing you in the deep end here Pancho, lol.

Those are good cpl references you have posted. Logan's lantern looks somewhat similar to the one shown by Mackburner in your link #3, apart from the droopy bail and captive vent nut connection. However we need more details of some of the features of Logan's, to compare them.

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Keith no worries 😉

I always jump into CPL for references and always well almost (my 244) find a good thread about it.
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Guff wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:17 am OK, here is an 1934 advertisment from The Coleman Quick-Lite Co. Ltd. in Birmingham England which I saved from one of Jeff's ccf posts. Jeff used to be a member here, and is still an active member on the cpl site.
It shows a reference to a 242 Baby Lantern, made in England from that period, which is maybe the same lantern you have. There are also other British made Coleman products shown in the advert.
It would still be interesting to see some more details of the features of your lantern as I have mentioned above.

Keith.

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Yah I had thought about the baby lantern as well and then in reading, the 2242 is a baby lantern as well, just another name for it. I will try and get some more pics of it all today


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Here are some more pics of it. The fuel pickup is straight like a kerosene lantern is which makes me lean towards the 2242. The pump i know has been replaced, and the vent nut is not correct for it as the threads are wrong. It should be the vent nut like on Jeans 2242.


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Thanks for showing the extra pictures, Logan, and for advising that the fuel pickup tube is the straight tube kerosene type.
That seems to confirm that you have something close to a 2242 model, although with some features which may have been swapped out. Like the pump assembly, the bail, the vent nut connection. Maybe also the large Canadian type multi splined valve wheel, used on the Canadian 242 series from inception up to 1936, shown on both Jean's 2242 and Niel's 242 Baby, was also swapped out to your American type smaller wheel. However, I have seen some early Canadian 242Juniors, and early 242A models, from 1931 with the small American valve wheel, so it's also possibly correct.

From the English Coleman advertisments you and I have posted it seems clear that both a paraffin and a gasoline model 242 lantern were made in England in the early 1930's, with the paraffin model being model 2242. Wish I could find one, lol.

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Hi Agostino. Yes, that is the large Canadian multi splined valve wheel used on the early Canadian 242 series up until 1936.
However, I have seen a few examples, mainly on the early Canadian 242 Juniors from about 1932, that actually have the small USA valve wheel installed. Maybe Wichita supplied Toronto with some of the USA wheels when Toronto first made the 242 Junior, or.. maybe they simply got swapped out by previous owners.
All I'm saying to Logan is that even though his subject 242 lantern he has shown in this post has the USA type valve wheel, and Jean's and Mackburner's made in England models 2242 and 242 respectively have the large Canadian wheel,.. then, Logan's wheel could still be factory correct.

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